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On the Trail of the RoboCall King

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Re: On the Trail of the RoboCall King

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post #15

Why are robocalls not a thing in my country? (Sweden)

In addition to the enforcement others mentioned, costs are higher.

Calls to Sweden mobile numbers are $0.07 to $0.20 per minute depending on the carrier, vs $0.01 to US numbers. Plus swedish speaking 'sales' talent is probably also more expensive than english speaking.

Re: On the Trail of the RoboCall King

#43
post #20

Seems to me that the FCC doesn't actually want to stop these. Watch the senate commission deposition(?) of Adrian Abramavich. He says all these calls are routed through 5 or 6 tier-2+ VOIP firms who openly solicit robocall business and then blend the traffic to prevent the most obvious red flags. Just pull their licenses(?). Unless there's more to the story and everyone in the industry is getting rich from this, whic…

>Remember this is the same FCC that couldn't detect millions of fake anti-net neutrality comments.

Not couldn't - didn't want to.

Re: On the Trail of the RoboCall King

#45
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because (at least in Germany) it's illegal and comes with very high fines. > telephone calls to consumers for sales purposes are illegal if the calling company is not in possession of an explicit and effective declaration of consent by the consumer https://www.limegreenipnews.com/2017/08/germany-federal-netw...

Since a lot of the robo calls are part of scams and illegal, I don't think it's the fear of fines. I believe that market size and language barrier are a bigger issue: Plenty of people speak english, few speak german and even fewer are fluent enough in swedish to convince people to hand over their money.

Might be a difference in the phone systems. Not sure if this is true anymore, but I've heard US caller IDs are easy to spoof, while it is basically impossible in Germany.

Also our regulatory bodies are most certainly stronger in this regard than the FCC.

Re: On the Trail of the RoboCall King

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post #43
post #20

Seems to me that the FCC doesn't actually want to stop these. Watch the senate commission deposition(?) of Adrian Abramavich. He says all these calls are routed through 5 or 6 tier-2+ VOIP firms who openly solicit robocall business and then blend the traffic to prevent the most obvious red flags. Just pull their licenses(?). Unless there's more to the story and everyone in the industry is getting rich from this, whic…

>Remember this is the same FCC that couldn't detect millions of fake anti-net neutrality comments. Not couldn't - didn't want to.

That would be the point.

Re: On the Trail of the RoboCall King

#47
post #26
post #20

Seems to me that the FCC doesn't actually want to stop these. Watch the senate commission deposition(?) of Adrian Abramavich. He says all these calls are routed through 5 or 6 tier-2+ VOIP firms who openly solicit robocall business and then blend the traffic to prevent the most obvious red flags. Just pull their licenses(?). Unless there's more to the story and everyone in the industry is getting rich from this, whic…

Under Obama they made steps forward to stop these, penalties were drastically increased, and an actual investigation team was put together, but Trump defunded the efforts and now the complaint form leads to a massive master in pile with no hope of a single message being read. The phone companies ARE able to stop the caller ID spoofing with a simple notch filter placed at the right point on the line, or packet filter…

The phone companies ARE able to stop the caller ID spoofing with a simple notch filter placed at the right point on the line, or packet filter on the right place on the firewall.

T-mobile already does, along with some other magic logic they have stopped almost all of the spam calls from reaching me. ...Occasionally they block my mom for a day or two, but it's worth it.

Re: On the Trail of the RoboCall King

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post #26
post #20

Seems to me that the FCC doesn't actually want to stop these. Watch the senate commission deposition(?) of Adrian Abramavich. He says all these calls are routed through 5 or 6 tier-2+ VOIP firms who openly solicit robocall business and then blend the traffic to prevent the most obvious red flags. Just pull their licenses(?). Unless there's more to the story and everyone in the industry is getting rich from this, whic…

Under Obama they made steps forward to stop these, penalties were drastically increased, and an actual investigation team was put together, but Trump defunded the efforts and now the complaint form leads to a massive master in pile with no hope of a single message being read. The phone companies ARE able to stop the caller ID spoofing with a simple notch filter placed at the right point on the line, or packet filter…

>... but instead they don't want to because these calls mean more money for them.

This. If something is broken and nobody wants to fix it, follow the money.

Re: On the Trail of the RoboCall King

#49
post #14
post #9

I wonder if one should not use a dialer to call them back, sending an automated message until someone listens and acknowledges? They have a huge outbound capability, but their weak spot is inbound and call completion - they expect basically no call to complete. So anything that keeps their agents busy will immediately reflect on the number of calls they make. Would it be legal?

I answer most robo calls and usually try to call back after I get them to hang up on me. The number is almost never in service. When it is and it leads to the scammer I'll sometimes continue calling and messing with them until my number is blocked by them. I've been messing with spam callers for more than 20 years. I wish more people would answer these calls and waste as much of their time as possible.

I amuse myself by asking the "health insurance" and student loan callers for a number at which I can call them back. This generally causes an immediate disconnection. One guy was naive enough to give me a real number, but I never got around to hassling them.

In the days when the calls were for auto warranties, it was "What company do you represent, and in what state is it incorporated?" that caused them to disconnect.

Re: On the Trail of the RoboCall King

#50
post #9

I wonder if one should not use a dialer to call them back, sending an automated message until someone listens and acknowledges? They have a huge outbound capability, but their weak spot is inbound and call completion - they expect basically no call to complete. So anything that keeps their agents busy will immediately reflect on the number of calls they make. Would it be legal?

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