When my brother and I were in high school, he got into a discussion with the English teacher. At one point of disagreement, he asked her heatedly, “what are you on about?” We’d been watching a lot of Monty Python. She misinterpreted it as, “are you on the rag?” and proceeded to flip out. She went to the principal, and they began some Title IX paperwork along with extreme disciplinary action. This was a small rural sc…
I wonder why teachers and school administrators don’t simply interact respectfully with their students instead of engaging in such extraordinarily bad behavior. Is mental illness or social disability common in their profession?
What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
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Wow, we had quite similar upbringings. My dad was the co-president of the county's Gifted & Talented Association, and like you I was always in the best classes and magnet programs (even if that required busing), and when I had bad teachers, my dad got me swapped into the best teacher's class within a week. I even had a similar issue with a teacher, but fortunately that was later in high school and I was able to handl…
> And yeah, having someone in your corner who knows how to navigate the school system and get the best for you is super important. This is very typical of the bureaucracies that run socialism. It becomes a system of bartering favors, connections, and influence. (Instead of money.)
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#433When my brother and I were in high school, he got into a discussion with the English teacher. At one point of disagreement, he asked her heatedly, “what are you on about?” We’d been watching a lot of Monty Python. She misinterpreted it as, “are you on the rag?” and proceeded to flip out. She went to the principal, and they began some Title IX paperwork along with extreme disciplinary action. This was a small rural sc…
I wonder why teachers and school administrators don’t simply interact respectfully with their students instead of engaging in such extraordinarily bad behavior. Is mental illness or social disability common in their profession?
Lots of them do; if 1,000 do that and one acts badly, guess which one is going to be the focus of a story that gets widespread exposure?
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#434When my brother and I were in high school, he got into a discussion with the English teacher. At one point of disagreement, he asked her heatedly, “what are you on about?” We’d been watching a lot of Monty Python. She misinterpreted it as, “are you on the rag?” and proceeded to flip out. She went to the principal, and they began some Title IX paperwork along with extreme disciplinary action. This was a small rural sc…
I wonder why teachers and school administrators don’t simply interact respectfully with their students instead of engaging in such extraordinarily bad behavior. Is mental illness or social disability common in their profession?
Firstly, many teachers subconsciously have a tendency to see their classes as a group entity, not as a selection of individuals. As such, when a couple of kids behave badly in class they abstract that feeling of "getting attacked" to the whole group, and lash out defensively against everyone in said group. The amount of times I've seen a teacher unfairly punish a kid because a different one has irritated them over the course of the lesson is astonishing.
Secondly, from my experience it seems that the type of people that go into the profession (thinking more pre/middle school ages, not high school/university) often have a propensity towards narcissism. I don't know why, but this is just what I've observed. They have little power outside of the classroom, had little power growing up, and were never really especially gifted academically; but now they've been given power over large group of kids with little to no means to respond. I see a lot of teachers projecting the problems they have/had at home or with the school bureaucracy onto their classes, and use them as a metaphorical punching bag for their internal struggles.
Thirdly, teaching work at lower ages has sunk from a middle class job to a middle-lower class job. The stagnant wages has meant that a lot of talent has been put off teaching where we need it the most, and with that has gone some of the better educated. Some of the children I work with are honestly better at some subjects than their teachers are (thank Khan Academy, YouTube educators, et al for that!) and some teachers do not appreciate it. Just last month I saw a teacher shoot down a child for correcting him, even though he was not only right, but polite about it. I was sure to let the administration know what I thought of this behaviour...
Note; please don't take this commentary as me condemning teachers. The overwhelmingly vast majority of them are incredible people that in my eyes are poorly compensated for the service they do - but like I said earlier, it only takes a couple of bad eggs to put some kids off of education for life, and that dissolution translates to the class rooms of teachers who are truly amazing at what they do, which ruins their experience with teaching too.
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#435School administrators don't give a damn about the majority of their students. They mostly care about their image and the top 5% of students who make them look good. If you're even remotely troubled, the school system chews you up and spits you out.
I think the worst example of this from my own experiences is during High School when I was put in "alternative education" because they just didn't want to deal with me anymore. Nobody thought "maybe it isn't that he can't do the work, maybe there's problems he's dealing with that nobody cares to ask about" or that the increasing frustration of being a social pariah and someone who can't find the words to express his issues was the problem; they just didn't care, so they just threw me out.
Fortunately, I did finally get my act together and get through college... but I sincerely hope that what I experienced doesn't become common-place just because school administrators would rather "throw out the trash" than deal with the root of the problem.
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#436The ending of this article is a little hard to believe. It seems to end the exact way that the author would have wanted it to, something that is very uncommon behavior in teenagers in these situations.
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#437Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've watched the so-called alt-right develop online over the past 2-3 decades. Usenet, Live Journal, Encyclopedia Dramatica, the chans, etc. At least at the start, it was mostly about trolling and lulz. The anger of TFWNG. But somehow it's been captured by the actual right wing. That's frightening. There's a lotta young male angst out there.
> young male angst Tbh, it's this sort of thing that fuels the alt right. I'm a young male and I have some political concerns. I don't consider myself alt-right. But, when you dismiss my concerns as "angst" - I'm far more likely to continue talking to them than to you.
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#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
Conversely, I was bullied relentlessly for years. It warped my perceptions so badly that for years into my adulthood I couldn’t exactly identify when it finally ceased. Public school has to be the worst way we could teach little humans how to behave to one another without just going lord of the flies. I’ll never fully move past it. That stuff is permanent to some extent.
> I’ll never fully move past it. That stuff is permanent to some extent. Likewise. I've never been to a reunion because fuck those guys (and gals).
Oh, do go if you've been able to have any success at all in your professional career.
The only way I ever got thru the years of bullying was to know I would go to college and get a good job and succeed.
Going back and seeing how many of my tormentors never moved beyond high school, live in the same place, and look 10 years older than me is DELICIOUS.
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#439What resonated with me is how impossible it is, as a kid, to make sense of being in the school system. The interaction with an administrator was school discipline gone awry... but it could have easily been something else. (Discipline is the most likely, there are tons of misguided zero-tolerance policies.) I'm lucky that my parents were advocates and organizers and that they knew people in the school administration.…
Wow, we had quite similar upbringings. My dad was the co-president of the county's Gifted & Talented Association, and like you I was always in the best classes and magnet programs (even if that required busing), and when I had bad teachers, my dad got me swapped into the best teacher's class within a week. I even had a similar issue with a teacher, but fortunately that was later in high school and I was able to handl…
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#440What resonated with me is how impossible it is, as a kid, to make sense of being in the school system. The interaction with an administrator was school discipline gone awry... but it could have easily been something else. (Discipline is the most likely, there are tons of misguided zero-tolerance policies.) I'm lucky that my parents were advocates and organizers and that they knew people in the school administration.…
Heck. I'm still making nightmares about being back to school.