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What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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> I define "fascist" I'm sorry, but you don't get to do that! `fascism` already has an established meaning. Please make up a new word for what you believe `fascism` means. Going by the dictionary definition: > 1. a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatori…

> I'm sorry, but you don't get to do that! `fascism` already has an established meaning. Please make up a new word for what you believe `fascism` means I see your point, but honestly, that's not how language work. Changes in meaning over time are not so uncommon, and "fascist" has been used in a loose sense for years (at least in Italian), but looking at Wikipedia this holds for English too. https://en.wikipedia.org/…

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Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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I define "fascist" much as Ian Danskin does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Luu1Beb8ng&list=PLJA_jUddXv... Its critical aspects include inherent beliefs of racial superiority and the need to "recapture" a great society lost. And there are plenty on YouTube with large followings. Though some have been banned since. Chud Supreme Carl, "Sargon of Akkad", comes to mind as an example, and one I'm willing to namedrop bec…

> I define "fascist" I'm sorry, but you don't get to do that! `fascism` already has an established meaning. Please make up a new word for what you believe `fascism` means. Going by the dictionary definition: > 1. a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatori…

Your dictionary editor gets to do that. That narrow definition you quote did not come out of thin air. Or maybe it did.

I’ve never heard of ‘fascisti’ - that’s just Italian for “fascists”, not an Organization.

There is a lot more nuance to what the word came to mean that is impossible to capture in one or two paragraphs. The Wikipedia page is already a great improvement over that, recommend that as a source instead, collectively reviewed by hundreds of editors.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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> Sam prides himself on questioning conventional wisdom and subjecting claims to intellectual scrutiny. For kids today, that means Googling stuff. One might think these searches would turn up a variety of perspectives, including at least a few compelling counterarguments. One would be wrong. The Google searches flooded his developing brain with endless bias-confirming “proof” to back up whichever specious alt-right s…

But how does one respect the intellect and agency of one's peers when one feels the public can be "damaged" merely by the local maxima of YouTube or Facebook's recommendation systems? It's like YouTube showed me too many spiritual videos, and now I give all my money to Scientology.

To me it is simply the truth that we as a population is affected by ads or propaganda. Every single person might tell themselves "those ads dont affect me", but that is obviously not the truth. It does not mean that I lose respect for anyone. We, as humans, are simply flawed. And our society should help us make the best of our flawed selves.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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> “Feminists keep divorced dads from seeing their kids” was a favorite—it would seem as if I’d actually considered his perspective. Except that feminism actively derides both the gender norms that say mothers are better caregivers and the US court system's bias against fathers in child custody rulings. There is literally decades of literature and other sources on these points. A old, common talking point and accusati…

>Except that feminism actively derides both the gender norms that say mothers are better caregivers and the US court system's bias against fathers in child custody rulings. There is literally decades of literature and other sources on these points. But a feminist was the originator of the idea that women should get primary custody of children[1], and the National Organization for Women opposes joint custody[2][3], an…

This reply or at least the first source cited is a little disingenuous; modern feminism (mostly third wave and left-wing) rejects the doctrine of essentialism used by second wave feminists. Most third wave feminists are highly critical of gender essentialism (for instance on trans issues which for them must deny essentialism) to the point where you and the person you're replying to are speaking of totally different movements. It would be like saying that science can't explain the motion of the planets - but of course it can, if we're talking about the majority of scientists after Newton. The boy's hate for feminism should not right extend past the 19th century women named in the article.

If you don't believe me when it comes to what modern feminism actually believes I'd be happy to walk through a Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy article to make the point. Most modern feminists do not support the tender years doctrine.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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When I was in 3rd grade a girl accused me and my best friend of purposefully stepping on her. We were forced to sit in a room, no parents, no lunch, until we confessed. Eventually I was told I could go to violin lessons if I admitted to my wrong. So I lied to get out of the room I had been left in for 5 hours.

My friend never lied. He got in a lot of trouble because I did lie. He left school the next year after being dogged by the administration for every wrong that could be piled on him. Last I heard he was in jail.

I am utterly ashamed of that lie. Probably the worst lie I ever told.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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What drove me crazy about K-12 is that all the bullshit zero tolerance policies affected mainly the normal kids. The real problem kids didn’t care, and continued to wreak havoc. It’s the main reason I send my kids to private school, even though the public schools where I live are good.

A student whose situation I’m personally aware of was threatened with expulsion during middle school after a history of being an undistinguished but not particularly troublesome student for a) doodling a bobomb (character from Mario) in their notebook during class and b) filling in a speech bubble saying “Let’s blow up the school.” Zero tolerance policy; bomb threat. It took substantial efforts by a parent to keep th…

It seems the only reasonable response by school authorities is to put teachers in bomb-vests to pre-emptively quash any bomb threat.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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This is gripping, insightful and beautifully written. I especially like how it leads with the request to go to the Mother of All Rallies, so that the reader gets to experience the same knee-jerk reaction as the parents. I like how that knee-jerk reaction is later proven wrong. It compellingly illustrates the importance of open-mindedness, and that "sunlight is the best medicine". Very thought provoking.

It's fiction imo

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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Father of boys and girls here. Both sexes are just as violent, boys more so on the body, and girls more so on the mind. It was fascinating to hear my 7 year old daughter grasp for words to make me angry: ‘when you and mom divorce, I’m going with mom.’ I just raised an eyebrow and ignored. Boy’s will just throw things.

That's such an awful thing for your child to say. How do you ensure they won't do it again?

She'll feel bad about it on her own once she's not angry anymore. Especially when she learns it didn't even further her goals.

The second worst thing you can do is to also get angry or punish her, which will only make her feel justified and not question herself.

The worst would be giving her what she wanted. That's not the lesson you want to teach at all.

So basically follow this father's lead and do nothing. Maybe talk about how it makes you feel once things calmed down.

Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right

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> Sam prides himself on questioning conventional wisdom and subjecting claims to intellectual scrutiny. For kids today, that means Googling stuff. One might think these searches would turn up a variety of perspectives, including at least a few compelling counterarguments. One would be wrong. The Google searches flooded his developing brain with endless bias-confirming “proof” to back up whichever specious alt-right s…

But how does one respect the intellect and agency of one's peers when one feels the public can be "damaged" merely by the local maxima of YouTube or Facebook's recommendation systems? It's like YouTube showed me too many spiritual videos, and now I give all my money to Scientology.

I don't know about you, but a 14 year old is not my peer and I do question their agency and intellect.

Children are not fully able to fend for themselves yet, be it physically or mentally.

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