I’m not an expert, but maybe institutionalizing children like prisoners is bad for their emotional development.
What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
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Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#332This article is not good. It has its good points but the rest of it is deeply and completely flawed and it definitely has the feeling of ideological propaganda. If you don’t know why that is the case, I will explain. Firstly, it causes me actual physical pain to read because I have a son and society has become so default toxic towards men and assumes that they are somehow evil and guilty for....wanting sex and not kn…
> There was a Nazi in Seattle once, he got punched in the face after ten minutes by a mob from the Internet. It doesn’t mean that everyone in Seattle is a Nazi.
The assertion "There was a Nazi in Seattle once" is as ridiculous as your subsequent strawman "everyone in Seattle is a Nazi". There's is an extremely low likelihood that either is true. But more importantly, you've just engaged in precisely the sort of exaggerated rhetoric you just decried.
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#333Why are Americans so obsessed with Nazis? I mean, I'm from Europe and I don't recall growing up worrying about everyone being a secret (or overt) Nazi, which, unless promptly punched in the face, would somehow take over. WWII and Nazis destroyed Europe. Are Europeans worried about Nazis? Not as far as I can tell. Yet all I see from American news is Nazis this Nazis that. Can someone explain?
It's probably a consequence of the media. Proclaiming yourself a nazi is still an easy way to provoke outrage and get media attention in America, so attention-seekers abuse it. Also Americans value free speech over most things. Proclaiming yourself a Nazi in Europe would probably have more severe consequences socially. In Germany it could land you in prison.
> In Germany it could land you in prison.
Proclaiming yourself a Nazi shouldn't. Expect to be watched closely by intelligence services though (unless you're a cop, very different rules apply then).
Promoting the ideology may land in you in jail, depending on details (after a series of trials ending in fines because we believe in measured response).
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
OK. I believe that. But does this mean you watched fascist video by yourself, otherwise YouTube wouldn't recommend those videos to you, right?
No, that's not how their algorithm works. I can't find the link now, but a former employee said that their algorithm is designed to keep you engaged with the site, and that typically involves directing you to more and more extreme versions of the previous videos. For example, if you were to watch a video about mainstream rock and continually follow YouTube's recommendations at the end of the videos, you'd end up at v…
If what you said is true, I would definitely have seen fascist videos, but I haven't. I really doubt your theory.
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not really.... these aren't real nazis committing atrocities.... Going to 4chan and saying a bunch of trolly triggering stuff at your friends to get out your anger isn't really a bad thing. It's immature, but it's not really immoral, nor is it illegal, nor does it make you a "bad person." It's venting, tribalism, and immaturity. (case-in-point, the moderator was a 13-year-old jewish boy) This is what the article desc…
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The same way that I rationalize the repeated mass murders by the Irish. A response to a terrible situation which the powers that be are abusing for their own gain.
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really? I haven't seen any fascist video on YouTube. Yes, there are lots of right-wing videos. Fascist? I don't believe there are that many on YouTube, unless you define fascist as anything anti-left.
I define "fascist" much as Ian Danskin does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Luu1Beb8ng&list=PLJA_jUddXv... Its critical aspects include inherent beliefs of racial superiority and the need to "recapture" a great society lost. And there are plenty on YouTube with large followings. Though some have been banned since. Chud Supreme Carl, "Sargon of Akkad", comes to mind as an example, and one I'm willing to namedrop bec…
> I define "fascist"
I'm sorry, but you don't get to do that! `fascism` already has an established meaning. Please make up a new word for what you believe `fascism` means.
Going by the dictionary definition:
> 1. a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
> 2. a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
This is the exact opposite of Carl's beliefs and agenda.
EDIT: how can we have any discussion about anything if everyone gets to define words to mean whatever they want to mean?
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#337What resonated with me is how impossible it is, as a kid, to make sense of being in the school system. The interaction with an administrator was school discipline gone awry... but it could have easily been something else. (Discipline is the most likely, there are tons of misguided zero-tolerance policies.) I'm lucky that my parents were advocates and organizers and that they knew people in the school administration.…
My school experience was horrible, there's a reason I left formal education as soon as I could, I'm pretty confident I've learnt significantly more since leaving school than I ever did in it.
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think PragerU is fascist. I was thinking you can get from video games to PragerU in two hops like the parent comment mentioned. Maybe two hops from there you can get to fascist stuff Keep in mind a lot of fascist stuff tries to brand itself as " a search for "inconvenient truths" and usually doesn't outright say "yes I want to support a white ethnostate and murder minorities by doing X/Y/Z".
PragerU is exactly what I was thinking of, yes; it's firmly chud stuff. Everybody's favorite cool skull, Shaun, has a pretty good breakdown of the nonsense they throw out there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM7BgrddY18 From there, you definitely can get to actual fascists, whose channels I won't shout out here. And, because YouTube fits to a very small set of data points, one misclick onto PragerU may very well fi…
I watched that whole thing... and honestly, he's just as guilty of the straw-man arguments and fallacies he's accusing pragerU of. He's also removed what little context those videos had and thus they make even less sense then if you saw the full context.
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
But from "Sargon's" perspective, UKIP isn't fascist - it's the party attempting to remove the UK from the growing, minimally accountable supreme bureaucracy known as the EU. It's always better to understand your enemies before you start to insult them. Otherwise your insults just increase polarization, because while people who agree with you will find them obviously true... People on the other side will find them obj…
Oh that's stupid! We (non racist people) know that black people are black and white people are white (biological differences), we just don't think it's in any way a reason to treat them differently. (same thing with men and women ;)
> we just don't think it's in any way a reason to treat them differently
This is blatantly false. At least different skin color can lead to different treatment in face makeup and portrait photography. Not to mention all sorts of different needs from men and women. Your belief of biological differences should have no impact on social implication cannot be more wrong.
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#340What resonated with me is how impossible it is, as a kid, to make sense of being in the school system. The interaction with an administrator was school discipline gone awry... but it could have easily been something else. (Discipline is the most likely, there are tons of misguided zero-tolerance policies.) I'm lucky that my parents were advocates and organizers and that they knew people in the school administration.…
What I found crazy about my school was the contrast between the pressure and the (lack of) power. We'd be given the workload of full time finance/medicine/law jobs, veritable Elon Musk workaholic situations, but no sort of power, no sort of control. Granted my school was better than most. The administration was fairly lenient and I can only think of one teacher whom I truly despised. But still, we were constantly at the mercy of teachers and security guards, gym teachers and assistant principals. We'd get hours and hours of homework and have to just smile and go with it.