Now I'm wondering which subreddit it was.
/r/MemeEconomy most likely
What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
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Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#292What resonated with me is how impossible it is, as a kid, to make sense of being in the school system. The interaction with an administrator was school discipline gone awry... but it could have easily been something else. (Discipline is the most likely, there are tons of misguided zero-tolerance policies.) I'm lucky that my parents were advocates and organizers and that they knew people in the school administration.…
What drove me crazy about K-12 is that all the bullshit zero tolerance policies affected mainly the normal kids. The real problem kids didn’t care, and continued to wreak havoc. It’s the main reason I send my kids to private school, even though the public schools where I live are good.
A student whose situation I’m personally aware of was threatened with expulsion during middle school after a history of being an undistinguished but not particularly troublesome student for a) doodling a bobomb (character from Mario) in their notebook during class and b) filling in a speech bubble saying “Let’s blow up the school.” Zero tolerance policy; bomb threat.
It took substantial efforts by a parent to keep them in school, including begging, pleading, and threatening a PR campaign along the lines of “I will personally call every mother at this school and break down in their living room about how you ruined my son’s life” to get him reinstated.
The school was, obviously, neither bobombed nor hit with a turtle shell nor stomped on.
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#293Earlier quoted context omitted.
The damning thing is the alt-right is very occasionally right. This one stuck out at me: > I trained myself to freeze my facial expression into something neutral so that when I countered Sam’s remarks—“Feminists keep divorced dads from seeing their kids” was a favorite—it would seem as if I’d actually considered his perspective. A big chunk of the alt-right is precisely divorced dads drawn in, or people drawn to thei…
> “Feminists keep divorced dads from seeing their kids” was a favorite—it would seem as if I’d actually considered his perspective. Except that feminism actively derides both the gender norms that say mothers are better caregivers and the US court system's bias against fathers in child custody rulings. There is literally decades of literature and other sources on these points. A old, common talking point and accusati…
> Except that feminism actively derides both the gender norms that say mothers are better caregivers and the US court system's bias against fathers in child custody rulings.
Among people who call themselves feminists there are both people who strive for equality (and better relations) between the sexes and those who are striving for better conditions for women only.
Many self-proclaimed feminists probably wouldn't consider bias against fathers in child custody rulings a major issue. And those who don't concern themselves with men's rights are likely to alienate men in their quest for better treatment of women.
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#294> Sam prides himself on questioning conventional wisdom and subjecting claims to intellectual scrutiny. For kids today, that means Googling stuff. One might think these searches would turn up a variety of perspectives, including at least a few compelling counterarguments. One would be wrong. The Google searches flooded his developing brain with endless bias-confirming “proof” to back up whichever specious alt-right s…
> It’s one thing to continuously confirm the beliefs of old people, it’s quite another to funnel impressionable children
I'm not sure there's much of a difference. I'm very grateful for my high school librarian who ingrained into our minds the importance of data verification. She seemed to recognize the potential for user manipulation in a very real way. I feel like that's something that a majority of my acquaintances lack.
Before Google search got personalized it was great for fact checking, but today it seems to re-enforce your existing views. There's value in both approaches, but it depends on context. At some point I'm sure that context will be resolved, but I'm afraid the fallout from the existing state of things will be severe.
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd imagine there's a more direct financial incentive; if a student's parent(s) decide(s) to pull that student out of school because of a disagreement with the school's administration, then that directly leads to less money for the school. Meanwhile, a public school doesn't have that direct penalty; if anything, it's just one less student in already-crowded classrooms, so pushing a student out might very well be a ne…
> a public school doesn't have that direct penalty That is false
You are correct. Public schools lose funding when enrollment drops but the magnitude of the funds lost and the degree to which those funds affect the total budget of the school is usually much greater at a private school.
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
But from "Sargon's" perspective, UKIP isn't fascist - it's the party attempting to remove the UK from the growing, minimally accountable supreme bureaucracy known as the EU. It's always better to understand your enemies before you start to insult them. Otherwise your insults just increase polarization, because while people who agree with you will find them obviously true... People on the other side will find them obj…
> But from "Sargon's" perspective, UKIP isn't fascist - it's the party attempting to remove the UK from the growing, minimally accountable supreme bureaucracy known as the EU. Let's assume for a second that Carlgon isn't the misogynistic white supremacist charmer--he of the "I wouldn't even rape her" so recently, lest we forget--that he's made sure everybody knows he is. Let's assume that you are correct and that, go…
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Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#297Earlier quoted context omitted.
I define "fascist" much as Ian Danskin does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Luu1Beb8ng&list=PLJA_jUddXv... Its critical aspects include inherent beliefs of racial superiority and the need to "recapture" a great society lost. And there are plenty on YouTube with large followings. Though some have been banned since. Chud Supreme Carl, "Sargon of Akkad", comes to mind as an example, and one I'm willing to namedrop bec…
But from "Sargon's" perspective, UKIP isn't fascist - it's the party attempting to remove the UK from the growing, minimally accountable supreme bureaucracy known as the EU. It's always better to understand your enemies before you start to insult them. Otherwise your insults just increase polarization, because while people who agree with you will find them obviously true... People on the other side will find them obj…
Oh that's stupid! We (non racist people) know that black people are black and white people are white (biological differences), we just don't think it's in any way a reason to treat them differently.
(same thing with men and women ;)
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#298Earlier quoted context omitted.
The damning thing is the alt-right is very occasionally right. This one stuck out at me: > I trained myself to freeze my facial expression into something neutral so that when I countered Sam’s remarks—“Feminists keep divorced dads from seeing their kids” was a favorite—it would seem as if I’d actually considered his perspective. A big chunk of the alt-right is precisely divorced dads drawn in, or people drawn to thei…
> “Feminists keep divorced dads from seeing their kids” was a favorite—it would seem as if I’d actually considered his perspective. Except that feminism actively derides both the gender norms that say mothers are better caregivers and the US court system's bias against fathers in child custody rulings. There is literally decades of literature and other sources on these points. A old, common talking point and accusati…
>Except that feminism actively derides both the gender norms that say mothers are better caregivers and the US court system's bias against fathers in child custody rulings. There is literally decades of literature and other sources on these points.
But a feminist was the originator of the idea that women should get primary custody of children[1], and the National Organization for Women opposes joint custody[2][3], and highly patriarchal societies such as Saudi Arabia generally give default custody to the father (Saudi Arabia just changed the law last year, and now mothers get primary custory[4])
I would say that the idea that "gender roles, not feminism, is responsible for default custody for mothers" is by far the most commonly debunked argument amongst the men's rights community.
[1] https://baysingerlaw.com/2018/02/tender-years-doctrine-origi...
[3] http://web.archive.org/web/20070708213232/http://michnow.org...
[4] https://www.khaleejtimes.com/region/saudi-arabia/saudi-arabi...
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mid 30s, same, and my k-12 experience wasn't even bad . I wasn't really bullied. I was popular enough, and moved between a few different friend groups, some of them semi-cool (though one of the nerdier groups was my "home"). School's just that traumatic, I guess. I worry about that for my kids. Unlike an adult, if you're in an environment that's making your life hell (and normal school life is friggin' intolerable, f…
It makes you wonder how much of this is school, per se, and how much of it is just growing up. Home-schooled kids removed from that environment, for example, tend to have worse outcomes, partly because even while school can be stressful, not socializing routinely with same-aged peers is worse.
I call BS on the parent comment's perspective. Some evidence:
"Homeschooled kids have the same access to online learning, friendships, and extracurricular activities as the typical public school student — but without many of the drawbacks, like standardized lesson plans and bullying."[1]
"Regarding socialization, Taylor's results would mean that very few home-schooling children are socially deprived. He states that critics who speak out against homeschooling on the basis of social deprivation are actually addressing an area which favors homeschoolers." [2]
1. https://www.businessinsider.com/reasons-homeschooling-is-the...
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#300Earlier quoted context omitted.
But from "Sargon's" perspective, UKIP isn't fascist - it's the party attempting to remove the UK from the growing, minimally accountable supreme bureaucracy known as the EU. It's always better to understand your enemies before you start to insult them. Otherwise your insults just increase polarization, because while people who agree with you will find them obviously true... People on the other side will find them obj…
Oh that's stupid! We (non racist people) know that black people are black and white people are white (biological differences), we just don't think it's in any way a reason to treat them differently. (same thing with men and women ;)
That's a bald-faced lie.
If it were true, you'd be against affirmative action and quotas. Which you're not.