Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

nytimes.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

181–190 of 304 posts

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

#181

Post by smolder »

yumraj wrote: post #2

So US media censors US content, containing bits about China censors, due to financial and other unknown reasons, but when it comes to US happenings, good and bad, they want and have complete freedom of press and speech. Oh, the irony.

The US is thankfully unaccepting of blatant censorship, at least by government bodies. It's far from immune to centralized manipulation of public discourse and opinion. My feeling is that CBS and other big media entities are compliant in both contexts, but in the US the way it works is subtler, because it needs to be to have the desired outcome.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

#182

Post by CamperBob2 »

amalcon wrote: post #160
nickysielicki wrote: post #26

I feel like free speech has never been under such attack. Culturally, we don't care about it, we find offensive content more offensive than censorship of offensive content. Politically, they can censor you completely if they want to by hitting you with an NSL. EFF says that happens 60 times a day. The most hard hitting journalist in the west, Julian Assange, was just put in jail. I'm scared about the future. It's not…

Assuming we are taking a US centric view here, I feel just the opposite: that speech has scarcely ever been so free. It was less than a decade ago that the U.S. military had a policy literally called "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". It was only fifty years ago that Martin Luther King Jr. was being investigated by the FBI, for speech that is now broadly considered necessary. About 100 years ago, check out the Sedition Act of…

The US government has rarely been less engaged in censorship than it is today. That much is true, and certainly it's a good thing.

The trouble is, any sufficiently-dominant corporation is indistinguishable from a government.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

#183

Post by tzakrajs »

mikequinlan wrote: post #116
scohesc wrote: post #18

It's a bit telling when a media giant like CBS can't strike a happy medium by you know - both not censoring it in the US and censoring it in china - instead, choosing to censor the whole thing outright on the entire platform. It's almost like all these American companies are moving en masse to do business in China with the sole purpose of increasing profits every single quarter, irrespective of (and arguably, now enc…

CBS said "This is the creative solution that we agreed upon with the producers". I have been wondering if the producers insisted that the segment be censored in all regions so that everyone would know about it. Otherwise Americans would never know about the censorship.

Except Chinese use VPNs and this just keeps them from ever seeing the content now.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

#184

Post by GalacticDomin8r »

shijie wrote: post #159
chillacy wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It only takes one person desperate enough or psychopathic enough to do it.

I doubt one person’s negative actions could destroy an entire society’s moral foundations wholesale. Not even Hitler or Jesus did that.

It's quite clear Hitler and Jesus's followers changed the course of world events at a very large scale.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

#185

Post by SlowRobotAhead »

taobility wrote: post #148
duxup wrote: post #84

If they're willing to censor news. I wonder how long until China extends its social credit system (or a form of it) to people outside China... and what companies play along?

are you saying US's credit score shouldn't apply to immigrant?

Do you think China's social credit system is the same as your payment history / financial risk factor credit score?

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

#186

Post by amalcon »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #182
amalcon wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming we are taking a US centric view here, I feel just the opposite: that speech has scarcely ever been so free. It was less than a decade ago that the U.S. military had a policy literally called "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". It was only fifty years ago that Martin Luther King Jr. was being investigated by the FBI, for speech that is now broadly considered necessary. About 100 years ago, check out the Sedition Act of…

The US government has rarely been less engaged in censorship than it is today. That much is true, and certainly it's a good thing. The trouble is, any sufficiently-dominant corporation is indistinguishable from a government.

You're not wrong about that. I don't think this is a case of that, though.

CBS is one of four major legacy broadcast networks. They are owned by National Amusements, whose other assets basically amount to a lot of movie theaters. This contrasts with NBC (owned by Comcast), ABC (owned by Disney), and Fox (also owned by Disney now).

This show is exclusive to the CBS web streaming service, an arena with even more competition.

That doesn't seem like a sufficiently-dominant corporation to me. They are a major player, yes, but at best second strongest in their domain.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

#187

Post by 9HZZRfNlpR »

mullingitover wrote: post #168
Chazprime wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Julian Assange is a journalist? Not sure I agree with that labeling.

I thought he was at one point, but now it's sadly obvious he's an intelligence asset. He was literally an employee of Russian state media, and I have yet to see him publish anything that would embarrass Russia.

The last free press of Novaya Gazeta received plenty and published plenty. Their journalists have been murdered left and right, often leading back to Kreml.

Why do people keep saying they haven't published anything on Russia? It's simply not truth and I see that being said over and over again.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

#188

Post by dragonwriter »

amalcon wrote: post #186
CamperBob2 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US government has rarely been less engaged in censorship than it is today. That much is true, and certainly it's a good thing. The trouble is, any sufficiently-dominant corporation is indistinguishable from a government.

You're not wrong about that. I don't think this is a case of that, though. CBS is one of four major legacy broadcast networks. They are owned by National Amusements, whose other assets basically amount to a lot of movie theaters. This contrasts with NBC (owned by Comcast), ABC (owned by Disney), and Fox (also owned by Disney now). This show is exclusive to the CBS web streaming service, an arena with even more compet…

> CBS is one of four major legacy broadcast networks. They are owned by National Amusements, whose other assets basically amount to a lot of movie theaters. This contrasts with NBC (owned by Comcast), ABC (owned by Disney), and Fox (also owned by Disney now).

National Amusements owns Viacom, which kind of undermines the contrast you are drawing. And Disney doesn't own Fox (the broadcast network) it owns 21st Century Fox, which uses to be the corporate parent of Fox Broadcasting, but Fox Broadcasting, Fox News, and a number of other assets were spun out to make Fox Corporation which didn't go with 21st Century Fox to Disney, and which is still controlled by Rupert Murdoch.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

#189

Post by velp »

mduerksen wrote: post #136
krapp wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assange doesn't write news, and classified documents are not, themselves, the product of journalism merely for being leaked. Writing a story about the Pentagon papers is journalism, printing them verbatim without context or comment is not journalism. If running a website which publishes third party content makes one a journalist then I guess Reddit makes spez a journalist too.

So an editor-in-chief is not a journalist to you?

Correct. In the same way that a coach is not a player

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

#190

Post by amalcon »

dragonwriter wrote: post #188
amalcon wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not wrong about that. I don't think this is a case of that, though. CBS is one of four major legacy broadcast networks. They are owned by National Amusements, whose other assets basically amount to a lot of movie theaters. This contrasts with NBC (owned by Comcast), ABC (owned by Disney), and Fox (also owned by Disney now). This show is exclusive to the CBS web streaming service, an arena with even more compet…

> CBS is one of four major legacy broadcast networks. They are owned by National Amusements, whose other assets basically amount to a lot of movie theaters. This contrasts with NBC (owned by Comcast), ABC (owned by Disney), and Fox (also owned by Disney now). National Amusements owns Viacom, which kind of undermines the contrast you are drawing. And Disney doesn't own Fox (the broadcast network) it owns 21st Century…

That's all correct. I'd looked at News Corporation for the list of assets not acquired by Disney, and didn't notice the spin-out of Fox Broadcasting.

This does rather undermine that particular contrast. National Amusements still does not have anything like a monopoly position in either the broadcast television or web streaming spaces.

Post reply on HN