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CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by mduerksen »

Chazprime wrote: post #53
nickysielicki wrote: post #26

I feel like free speech has never been under such attack. Culturally, we don't care about it, we find offensive content more offensive than censorship of offensive content. Politically, they can censor you completely if they want to by hitting you with an NSL. EFF says that happens 60 times a day. The most hard hitting journalist in the west, Julian Assange, was just put in jail. I'm scared about the future. It's not…

Julian Assange is a journalist? Not sure I agree with that labeling.

A journalist is a person who collects, writes, or distributes news or other current information to the public. [1]

Check.

You can argue about whether his style is commendable or not (for codes of conduct see [2]), but that does not change the fact that he is a journalist.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalist

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standard...

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by guelo »

swebs wrote: post #51
scohesc wrote: post #18

It's a bit telling when a media giant like CBS can't strike a happy medium by you know - both not censoring it in the US and censoring it in china - instead, choosing to censor the whole thing outright on the entire platform. It's almost like all these American companies are moving en masse to do business in China with the sole purpose of increasing profits every single quarter, irrespective of (and arguably, now enc…

It's also strange how quick people in this very thread are to brush it off and shift the blame. "An authoritarian communist regime is engaging in human rights violations? This is capitalism's fault :^)"

One of the selling points for economic normalization of Chinese relations in the 80s and 90s was the belief that free markets would inevitably lead to our values of democracy and civil liberties overpowering the communist values. No one ever considered the opposite effect, that the emmeshed markets would give communists power to push their values on western companies.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

rhizome wrote: post #92
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, so it was adblock that was the problem. I was confused, since I knew NYT works in incognito mode. Can you really blame them for blocking Adblock users? They're a business, if you're both not logged in (ie, not a subscriber) and blocking ads, you're preventing them from capturing any revenue. How do you suggest the New York Times stays in business?

Native ads and subscriptions, the same thing that worked for 150 years.

If you’re not logged in, you’re not (verifiably) a subscriber, so I’m not sure how that’s relevent.

I for one would much rather NYT block adblock users than increase their reliance on native ads. Also, native ads are relatively new, what do you mean “for 150 years”?

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by scohesc »

swebs wrote: post #51
scohesc wrote: post #18

It's a bit telling when a media giant like CBS can't strike a happy medium by you know - both not censoring it in the US and censoring it in china - instead, choosing to censor the whole thing outright on the entire platform. It's almost like all these American companies are moving en masse to do business in China with the sole purpose of increasing profits every single quarter, irrespective of (and arguably, now enc…

It's also strange how quick people in this very thread are to brush it off and shift the blame. "An authoritarian communist regime is engaging in human rights violations? This is capitalism's fault :^)"

I'm not saying it's capitalisms fault at all here - I would arguably say that what CBS and many other companies are doing is not true capitalism in the first place.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by krapp »

mduerksen wrote: post #101
Chazprime wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Julian Assange is a journalist? Not sure I agree with that labeling.

A journalist is a person who collects, writes, or distributes news or other current information to the public. [1] Check. You can argue about whether his style is commendable or not (for codes of conduct see [2]), but that does not change the fact that he is a journalist . [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalist [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standard...

Assange doesn't write news, and classified documents are not, themselves, the product of journalism merely for being leaked. Writing a story about the Pentagon papers is journalism, printing them verbatim without context or comment is not journalism.

If running a website which publishes third party content makes one a journalist then I guess Reddit makes spez a journalist too.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by hannasanarion »

kaolti wrote: post #6
5trokerac3 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's even worse. The previous controversy this show caused was actual calls to violence, including a very overtly "coded" message to assassinate Trump. So, CBS will let that run, but will censor anything that offends the communist party of China. Edit: For everyone jumping on the downvote train: I don't think either should be censored, but what they do censor is very telling of their ethics.

Interesting to observe how stating facts gets you downvoted.

"the show called for violence against Trump" is not a fact. The words "assassinate" and "President" appear on a NSA watch list in the show. That's not a call to violence any more than this comment is.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by inflatableDodo »

Chazprime wrote: post #53
nickysielicki wrote: post #26

I feel like free speech has never been under such attack. Culturally, we don't care about it, we find offensive content more offensive than censorship of offensive content. Politically, they can censor you completely if they want to by hitting you with an NSL. EFF says that happens 60 times a day. The most hard hitting journalist in the west, Julian Assange, was just put in jail. I'm scared about the future. It's not…

Julian Assange is a journalist? Not sure I agree with that labeling.

Don't trust his motives or bias, but if folk at the Daily Mail and Fox News supposedly qualify as journalists, then Assange counts, and then isn't even one of the most biased. Personally I'd place him more in an editorial role than a journalist, but I suspect he may disagree.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by rhizome »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #103
rhizome wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Native ads and subscriptions, the same thing that worked for 150 years.

If you’re not logged in, you’re not (verifiably) a subscriber, so I’m not sure how that’s relevent. I for one would much rather NYT block adblock users than increase their reliance on native ads. Also, native ads are relatively new, what do you mean “for 150 years”?

Native ads are what print newspapers have, and they don't require logins. They'd just charge Chevrolet $50,000 to run a skyscraper on sports articles for a week or whatever.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by wavefunction »

mduerksen wrote: post #94
wavefunction wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree with the notion that Julian Assange is a journalist. I don't find the way he goes about his activities to be commendable. I contrast his/Wikileak disclosures with the way the Snowden materials were disseminated and reported on as the the boundaries of proper and improper journalism of these subjects.

A journalist is a person who collects, writes, or distributes news or other current information to the public. [1] Check. You can argue about whether his style is commendable or not (for codes of conduct see [2]), but that does not change the fact that he is a journalist . [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalist [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standard...

I reject your Wikipedia links as authoritative sources on what constitutes a journalist as well as your contention that he's doing anything other than dumping documents (selectively).

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by ceejayoz »

ColanR wrote: post #10
ceejayoz wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was the "coded message" that also included "dethrone Chameleon Man" as its directives, right?

Technically it's an 'easter egg'. [1] It's hard to think that the phrase is accidental (see upper left corner). If you want to poke fun at the other phrases in the list, be my guest, but you're not disproving the ugly and intentional nature of the political message in that easter egg. [1] https://i.redd.it/nldbz62by4s21.jpg Edit: forgive the annotations on the image. It's what I found on reddit when I looked around f…

Your annotations are actually quite useful, as they certainly seem to deflate the point that they were intentionally providing a political message - "assassinate Trump" and "slay fake news" / "hit Mueller" are opposite sides of the political spectrum.

As others have mentioned in the thread, it's just a plausible list of NSA watchlist words. (Unfortunately, my post here probably wound up in one of their datacenters now.)

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