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CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by tehjoker »

GalacticDomin8r wrote: post #88
CharlesColeman wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As long as Capitalism is the main economic system this will always be only about the profits. I disagree. It's a matter of priorities. It's totally possible for a capitalist society to prioritize things like human rights, etc. over profits through political and social means. I think the main issue here is that capitalist institutions and capitalist thinking are ascendent (in the US at least) while rival political a…

> It's totally possible for a capitalist society to prioritize things like human rights, etc. over profits through political and social means. I believe that is what most people would call socialism. When taken at its root idea anyway.

Sort of. Socialists contend that the mechanical logic of the system makes that impossible, so the economic system must be refounded on the material basis of the political power of the majority - worker control of the economy / democratic control of the economy. Those two ideas go hand in hand.

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Post by rhizome »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #66
hedora wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://tinypic.com/r/2u5dgyv/9 Ironically, I had to turn off ad block to view it. Does anyone know of a better service like this? [edit: the screenshot is for a different article, but I get the same spy-wall on the one linked above]

Oh, so it was adblock that was the problem. I was confused, since I knew NYT works in incognito mode. Can you really blame them for blocking Adblock users? They're a business, if you're both not logged in (ie, not a subscriber) and blocking ads, you're preventing them from capturing any revenue. How do you suggest the New York Times stays in business?

Native ads and subscriptions, the same thing that worked for 150 years.

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Post by mduerksen »

wavefunction wrote: post #49
nickysielicki wrote: post #26

I feel like free speech has never been under such attack. Culturally, we don't care about it, we find offensive content more offensive than censorship of offensive content. Politically, they can censor you completely if they want to by hitting you with an NSL. EFF says that happens 60 times a day. The most hard hitting journalist in the west, Julian Assange, was just put in jail. I'm scared about the future. It's not…

I disagree with the notion that Julian Assange is a journalist. I don't find the way he goes about his activities to be commendable. I contrast his/Wikileak disclosures with the way the Snowden materials were disseminated and reported on as the the boundaries of proper and improper journalism of these subjects.

A journalist is a person who collects, writes, or distributes news or other current information to the public. [1]

Check.

You can argue about whether his style is commendable or not (for codes of conduct see [2]), but that does not change the fact that he is a journalist.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalist

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standard...

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by grenoire »

Chazprime wrote: post #53
nickysielicki wrote: post #26

I feel like free speech has never been under such attack. Culturally, we don't care about it, we find offensive content more offensive than censorship of offensive content. Politically, they can censor you completely if they want to by hitting you with an NSL. EFF says that happens 60 times a day. The most hard hitting journalist in the west, Julian Assange, was just put in jail. I'm scared about the future. It's not…

Julian Assange is a journalist? Not sure I agree with that labeling.

Not calling Assange a journalist does a great deal of unwarranted justice to the plenty clickbait bloggers, who also happen to be labelled as journalists.

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Post by komali2 »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #72
komali2 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they're concerned about the safety of employees in China over the content they produce, perhaps they should not station employees in China. Unfortunately it's such a big market it's apparent that companies are willing to forego ethics to do business with China, despite the numerous human rights violations.

CBS is an American based company; given its blatant human rights violations, perhaps they should not station employees in their home country?

I didn't claim the United States is perfect, but it certainly isn't mass incarcerating members of a peaceful religious group and harvesting their organs, so I won't agree to your false equivalence.

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Post by hannasanarion »

5trokerac3 wrote: post #21
hannasanarion wrote: post #13

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Which is exactly the context they were in in the show: a NSA agent watching out for dangerous people online.

So, what you're saying is that if in 2010 a TV show put the same thing on screen but had Obama instead of Trump, that everyone would think it was ok?

Yeah. TV shows where the bad guys are assassins or terrorists are not a new invention.

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Post by ptah »

CharlesColeman wrote: post #82
zouhair wrote: post #62

I don't get why you are acting so surprised. In Capitalism the only point is to make money, that's all there is. If siding with human rights helps make money they will side with human rights, if genocide helps make even more money they will side with genocide. As long as Capitalism is the main economic system this will always be only about the profits.

> As long as Capitalism is the main economic system this will always be only about the profits. I disagree. It's a matter of priorities. It's totally possible for a capitalist society to prioritize things like human rights, etc. over profits through political and social means. I think the main issue here is that capitalist institutions and capitalist thinking are ascendent (in the US at least) while rival political a…

it is possible but highly improbable in current capitalist system

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Post by komali2 »

5trokerac3 wrote: post #21
hannasanarion wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is exactly the context they were in in the show: a NSA agent watching out for dangerous people online.

So, what you're saying is that if in 2010 a TV show put the same thing on screen but had Obama instead of Trump, that everyone would think it was ok?

Yes, because the context was "the NSA should be concerned about these words."

I think the NSA is concerned about the assassination of any president.

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Post by convivialdingo »

zouhair wrote: post #62

I don't get why you are acting so surprised. In Capitalism the only point is to make money, that's all there is. If siding with human rights helps make money they will side with human rights, if genocide helps make even more money they will side with genocide. As long as Capitalism is the main economic system this will always be only about the profits.

Capitalism doesn’t work without choice of consumption. If you have a bad or misleading product, eventually people won’t use it.

I’m less worried about typical profit-mongering than I am about the corporate owned media however - media has a powerful ability to skew and censor truthful news.

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