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CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it was three very specific words in order that, if you typed them here, would result in you being investigated.

Which is exactly the context they were in in the show: a NSA agent watching out for dangerous people online.

So, what you're saying is that if in 2010 a TV show put the same thing on screen but had Obama instead of Trump, that everyone would think it was ok?

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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So US media censors US content, containing bits about China censors, due to financial and other unknown reasons, but when it comes to US happenings, good and bad, they want and have complete freedom of press and speech. Oh, the irony.

Who said they had complete freedom of the press on US matters? Individuals have a right to that total freedom, whether they choose to exercise that right it totally up to them. US news stations regularly "hold back" on things to appease the US government, choose not to exercise their total freedom. Why should we expect them to treat China's government any differently? There is a difference between government censorsh…

> News corporations know that they must maintain good relations if they want future access. Sometimes that means holding back on things they know would anger a government.

This is pretty much the opposite of what I would expect out of a journalist. What good is all that "access" if you're just publishing approved content? Wasn't the relevant quote was something like "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations."

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It's a bit telling when a media giant like CBS can't strike a happy medium by you know - both not censoring it in the US and censoring it in china - instead, choosing to censor the whole thing outright on the entire platform. It's almost like all these American companies are moving en masse to do business in China with the sole purpose of increasing profits every single quarter, irrespective of (and arguably, now enc…

Their decision to universally censor the content may have been contractually obligated by the Chinese. Not saying that's definitely the case, but it makes sense.

If one version of the content appears on approved channels in China and another uncensored version can be seen via VPN, that certainly wouldn't make the government look good.

As far as Americans using China as a means to increase profits, that's capitalism working exactly the way it was designed, unfortunately. The stock market doesn't care who was best-behaved last quarter, the market cares who made the most money last quarter. Our system is woefully incapable of factoring behavior and ethics into the equation.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

#24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is exactly the context they were in in the show: a NSA agent watching out for dangerous people online.

So, what you're saying is that if in 2010 a TV show put the same thing on screen but had Obama instead of Trump, that everyone would think it was ok?

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Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Failure to walk away from the show over this has lost the writers any moral high ground they might have once held.

Do you seriously think they should've cancelled a series they've been working on for the past decade due to 120 seconds of content? Let me be the first to say I'm glad the writers didn't do that.

If you watch the show, you'll quickly discover that the writers have been given an immense amount of creative freedom. The Good Fight makes a lot of strong political statements that I don't think would fly on many other platforms.

Furthermore, the writers responded in a way that draws very clear, explicit attention to CBS's censorship, as opposed to sweeping it under the rug.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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I feel like free speech has never been under such attack. Culturally, we don't care about it, we find offensive content more offensive than censorship of offensive content.

Politically, they can censor you completely if they want to by hitting you with an NSL. EFF says that happens 60 times a day. The most hard hitting journalist in the west, Julian Assange, was just put in jail.

I'm scared about the future. It's not any particular point, it's just the movement overall.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said they had complete freedom of the press on US matters? Individuals have a right to that total freedom, whether they choose to exercise that right it totally up to them. US news stations regularly "hold back" on things to appease the US government, choose not to exercise their total freedom. Why should we expect them to treat China's government any differently? There is a difference between government censorsh…

> News corporations know that they must maintain good relations if they want future access. Sometimes that means holding back on things they know would anger a government. This is pretty much the opposite of what I would expect out of a journalist. What good is all that "access" if you're just publishing approved content? Wasn't the relevant quote was something like "Journalism is printing what someone else does not…

journalist /= a news corporation.

Reporters act like reporters but often work for massive publicly-traded media companies (CBS). If you want perfect reporting you have to take profit out of the mix, which in turn brings other problems. Don't trust corporations to be the champions of democracy. That isn't their job. Their job is to make money for their owners and we shouldn't criticize them for doing so.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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I feel like free speech has never been under such attack. Culturally, we don't care about it, we find offensive content more offensive than censorship of offensive content. Politically, they can censor you completely if they want to by hitting you with an NSL. EFF says that happens 60 times a day. The most hard hitting journalist in the west, Julian Assange, was just put in jail. I'm scared about the future. It's not…

>I feel like free speech has never been under such attack. Culturally, we don't care about it, we find offensive content more offensive than censorship of offensive content.

Speak for your own filter bubble. Most people in my filter bubble seem to be coming around to the fact that the way things are going they might have to "get off the porch" (metaphorically and maybe literally too in a few cases) in the coming decade or three.

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