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Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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I used to be a fan of Google. They were the good ones, the open ones. Ha! I’ve feel like they played the long sucker game. How times have changed. Even Android feels like a ruse. And Chrome. And maps. The last thing will be search. At some point it’ll be curated for my own good. To be fair, Everyone has to make a living, but be honest don’t take people for suckers of make them into suckers.

Search is increasingly worthless for certain terms. They are things I can't find anymore even with refining the search query. Basically it's good for anything geo or related but everything else is getting worse.

I guess not all search is profitable, perhaps there gradually "optimising" on financially profitable search, so only crawling sites that relates to content for users that bring then in money, only returning SERP items that bring in money? Obviously they need their search to be broadly useful too, but many searches probably have no financial benefit for them??

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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post #227

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We expect web services to go away eventually. We expect physical products to keep working until they physically break. The problem is when companies sell physical products with a web service as a fundamental part of the product. Companies want to treat the web service like any other web service, while their customers reasonably expect their physical product to act like any other physical product. Edit: I want to add…

I’m really glad I bought a pantelligent because it only cost me $40 to learn that IoT is a giant scam.

I think you'll find it's Western Capitalism that's the scam and that IoT is still a reasonable idea.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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post #6

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Another reminder to never buy a "smart" device. At the end of the day they are pretty dumb.

I have Wemo smart plugs that I have plugged in all sorts of stuff like Heater, Lamps, and TV, etc connected to my Google Home and Home Mini. And I'd advise anyone to think twice before buying smart plugs or smart devices. There are so many bugs creating so many complications that I feel they are not worth using. You'd need to reconnect them with WEMO app time and again, restart these frequently if they just stop work…

I bought a WeMo plug and was quite shocked to discover that there is no form of security or authentication. Anyone using the same network that your WeMo devices are using can control them using the WeMo mobile app and crucially keep controlling them once they have left your network via the Belkin cloud. They are effectively proving an open door to your network that requires you to trust Belkin to keep secure.

Edit: They do support UPnP, but still they are wide open to attack.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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EU law (because the EU seems to be the only one willing to make these big laws inconveniencing tech) - any IOT enabled product that has the IOT capabilities removed by closing of a service without a simple way for those capabilities to be re-enabled (simple being further clarified in law) can be returned for a full purchase refund up to 3 months after closing of the service.

Not aware of such a law but there's a related European IOT project: http://big-iot.eu

BIG IoT is a European project to enable IoT Ecosystems. With our technologies, we enable cross- standard, cross-platform, and cross-domain IoT services and applications. We are embedded in the European IoT Platforms Initiative: https://iot-epi.eu

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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post #64

So let's talk alternatives. EcoBee? Honeywell? What's the suggested alternate device and route for those of us that like a little control, like having other services that can integrate, and don't want to be yanked around by shutdowns?

Ecobee it seems.

Until they are acquired by google and then rinse&repeat.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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post #193

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My girlfriend recently bought a sleep tracker device, from the store, new with shrink wrap, only to take it home and find out the service required to operate it had already shut down.

I've been seeing things like this in TJ Maxx lately. I don't know if anyone at TJ Maxx even understands that these are not items they can sell, as they don't work anymore. I think they think they're just fancy watches.

They know.

They will get a fraction returned. So, they still profit.

Big companies like that need fines big enough to risk closing them down for doing stuff like this. No reason for them to care otherwise.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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EU law (because the EU seems to be the only one willing to make these big laws inconveniencing tech) - any IOT enabled product that has the IOT capabilities removed by closing of a service without a simple way for those capabilities to be re-enabled (simple being further clarified in law) can be returned for a full purchase refund up to 3 months after closing of the service.

You still have to strip your thermostats off the wall. The best is still to not buy any device that is meant to last more than 5y that relies on a service.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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I've been considering pasting this: https://killedbygoogle.com/ every time the argument comes up. Maybe Google proponents will make one for other companies notorious for killing services, but at least for now, the Google Graveyard grows.

Huh didn’t realize YouTube annotations was killed off. Gotta say, most annoying thing to me was discontinuing support for the Nexus 6p after only 2 years. Made me switch to iPhone for ever.

An archive is available, thanks to crazy people on the internet: https://i.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/b7imx9/youtube_a...
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