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Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by thunderbong »

cortesoft wrote: post #136
DivisionSol wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been considering pasting this: https://killedbygoogle.com/ every time the argument comes up. Maybe Google proponents will make one for other companies notorious for killing services, but at least for now, the Google Graveyard grows.

I don't quite get what people expect... do they think that once google creates something, they are obligated to continue it indefinitely? That seems like an unreasonable expectation.

If I am the product, I demand it be there forever!

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Post by agildehaus »

mc32 wrote: post #66

I used to be a fan of Google. They were the good ones, the open ones. Ha! I’ve feel like they played the long sucker game. How times have changed. Even Android feels like a ruse. And Chrome. And maps. The last thing will be search. At some point it’ll be curated for my own good. To be fair, Everyone has to make a living, but be honest don’t take people for suckers of make them into suckers.

I recall thinking, a long time ago, "You never see ads for Google stuff on TV. That's because what they make is so much better they don't need to advertise them."

I think you can mark the spot where the business folk took the reins from the engineers by the date of their first TV ads.

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Post by iknowordidthat »

driverdan wrote: post #192
Despegar wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once again HomeKit's design proves to be prescient. https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/3/16083996/internet-of-shit-...

HomeKit is not open and requires Apple devices.

That is not true. The HomeKit protocol is documented. There are at least a few open source projects that implement it both as accessories and hubs. Home Bridge being the best known one.

If all the accessory vendors were to go under and Apple were to stop supporting HomeKit tomorrow, HomeKit accessories and hubs would still operate just fine and alternatives could be created. Even using Alexa or Google Nest for voice control.

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Post by garmaine »

Rexxar wrote: post #109
GiorgioG wrote: post #37

Man, Google is the new Microsoft of the 90s. Fuck them. I have 3 Nest thermostats (bought prior to the Nest acquisition.)

No. There is a lot of reasons to criticize Microsoft but they keep their services/apis alive longer than any other company.

Not the ones they put up briefly only to rout the competition. The “embrace, extend, extinguish” path.

Mind you that’s the old Microsoft. The new Microsoft is totally different.

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Post by Gaelan »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #149
Despegar wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once again HomeKit's design proves to be prescient. https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/3/16083996/internet-of-shit-...

Hrm. How so? HomeKit does not allow third party devs to write apps to control HomeKit devices, AFAICT. So they never added the capability that Google is removing. People can still develop devices that are triggered by Nest and Google Home. They just can no longer write apps that themselves trigger or modify Nest devices. Or are you saying it's prescient because Apple saw that such capabilities were not economically v…

I haven’t tested this, but I believe you could use Homebridge to create a virtual “button” that got “pushed” when you hit some API endpoint, then configure HomeKit to change something when the button gets pressed.

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Post by rs23296008n1 »

reificator wrote: post #72
jredwards wrote: post #69

Literally bought a nest thermostat yesterday. Glad it's still in the box. Wondering what the best alternative is now.

Hadn't set mine up yet, but I did take it out of the box. Time to pack it back up and return it.

Defective by design.

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Post by User23 »

mikeash wrote: post #178
cortesoft wrote: post #136

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I don't quite get what people expect... do they think that once google creates something, they are obligated to continue it indefinitely? That seems like an unreasonable expectation.

We expect web services to go away eventually. We expect physical products to keep working until they physically break. The problem is when companies sell physical products with a web service as a fundamental part of the product. Companies want to treat the web service like any other web service, while their customers reasonably expect their physical product to act like any other physical product. Edit: I want to add…

I’m really glad I bought a pantelligent because it only cost me $40 to learn that IoT is a giant scam.

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

Andrex wrote: post #105
DivisionSol wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been considering pasting this: https://killedbygoogle.com/ every time the argument comes up. Maybe Google proponents will make one for other companies notorious for killing services, but at least for now, the Google Graveyard grows.

Pasting the same thing over and over in different threads regardless of context isn't exactly arguing in good faith or inviting nuanced discussion, so I wouldn't go that route myself...

People new to the discussion may not have seen this page, so there’s that.

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Post by [deleted] »

freen wrote: post #185
michaelmrose wrote: post #168

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Ideally your Gmail ought to be through a domain and services that add value via imap. Then its impossible for the functionality to evaporate.

You are assuming they will retain imap functionality. Ask the xmpp/jabber folks about hangouts.

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Post by kuschku »

palebluedot wrote: post #33

This seems to include all of us using them in open-source "hobbyist" environments, like Home Assistant and Node-Red. I'm quite frustrated by this; I'll never buy another Nest product again, and I now regret my purchase of the Nest Thermostat. All the rest of my IoT stuff is either open-source hardware/software, or at the least local-only with known protocol interfaces. This was the one exception I made for IoT "cloud…

You might actually have reasons for a lawsuit, if you can reasonable make the court believe that the reason for your purchase was the advertised works with nest API.

If a feature that was advertised is removed after sale, this is reason to revert the sale.

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