And this is why Google will never be able to sell to the enterprise.
Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API
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#162I used to be a fan of Google. They were the good ones, the open ones. Ha! I’ve feel like they played the long sucker game. How times have changed. Even Android feels like a ruse. And Chrome. And maps. The last thing will be search. At some point it’ll be curated for my own good. To be fair, Everyone has to make a living, but be honest don’t take people for suckers of make them into suckers.
It feels like Google search is already curated. At home I cannot find academic articles which appeared in the search at work, because my girlfriend trained the home's recommendation engine on searches for cute cat pictures and domestic things. In DuckDuckGo, at least I know I will be able to find the same results for the same search terms no matter where I am.
Use a VPN in a private VM.
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#163How many things use that API?
It could be worse. Google/Nest abandoned their Revolv home automation line and bricked all devices in the field.
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I've been considering pasting this: https://killedbygoogle.com/ every time the argument comes up. Maybe Google proponents will make one for other companies notorious for killing services, but at least for now, the Google Graveyard grows.
I don't quite get what people expect... do they think that once google creates something, they are obligated to continue it indefinitely? That seems like an unreasonable expectation.
Maybe they could develop an AI that predicts when Google services will get shut down so that users can make sounds decisions about how much to invest in them. Maybe it could even predict its own demise...
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#165So let's talk alternatives. EcoBee? Honeywell? What's the suggested alternate device and route for those of us that like a little control, like having other services that can integrate, and don't want to be yanked around by shutdowns?
I have an ecobee, it seems to work pretty well, and has definitely saved us money on heating and cooling costs since we bought it.
As for automation and APIs to control it, generally we only use the Android app, but we have linked the ecobee to the Google Home app. I haven't yet tried to add it to the Mozilla webthings server running on our Retropie. We only have a 2 bedroom apartment, so our scope for lots of automation is somewhat less than if we owned our own home.
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Once again HomeKit's design proves to be prescient. https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/3/16083996/internet-of-shit-...
Hrm. How so? HomeKit does not allow third party devs to write apps to control HomeKit devices, AFAICT. So they never added the capability that Google is removing. People can still develop devices that are triggered by Nest and Google Home. They just can no longer write apps that themselves trigger or modify Nest devices. Or are you saying it's prescient because Apple saw that such capabilities were not economically v…
HomeKit doesn't require an internet connection for smart home devices to work, it doesn't require you to use the smart home maker's garbage apps or sign up for accounts with them, it gives away for free features that smart home makers try to put behind subscription paywalls, and most importantly it was designed to be secure.
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been considering pasting this: https://killedbygoogle.com/ every time the argument comes up. Maybe Google proponents will make one for other companies notorious for killing services, but at least for now, the Google Graveyard grows.
I don't quite get what people expect... do they think that once google creates something, they are obligated to continue it indefinitely? That seems like an unreasonable expectation.
The thermostat I grew up with was retired (voluntarily—it still worked) when it was ~40 years old. If the thermostat manufacturer had somehow actively broken all the light switches, lamps, etc. in my parents’ house, even 40 years after the purchase of the thermostat, they would have been criminally liable.
Safety-critical() physical infrastructure is different than internet services. Applying laws for one to the other makes no sense.
() remember when all the Nests’ batteries died at the same time one winter?
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First they came for Google Wave, and I did not speak out—Because I never really understood what Wave was to begin with. Then they came for Google+, and I did not speak out—Because almost all the people I want life updates from are on Facebook. Then they came for Google Reader, and I did not speak out—Because I never actually heard of Reader until years after it was eliminated. Maybe Reader was actually first? Then th…
You don't seem fully serious, but the writing is probably on the wall for third party tools which integrate with GMail. I use InboxZero through Beeminder, and could see Beeminder being locked out.
Ideally your Gmail ought to be through a domain and services that add value via imap.
Then its impossible for the functionality to evaporate.