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Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by URSpider94 »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #145

Questions I won't get answers to, but about which I'm curious anyway: 1. How many end-users are affected? 2. How many devs are affected? 3. What is the annual transaction volume that is affected? Depending on the magnitude of the answers to these questions, I can see turning this API off being either a good thing or a bad thing. If hundreds of users are affected, well. Sad, but sometimes unpopular things get turned o…

This will break the integrations with all leading Smart Home control platforms. Ones that come to mind: Insteon; Alexa; Smart Things; IFTTT. I’m sure there are many more I’m not thinking of. Google is making a bet that they can close their smart home ecosystem and drive customers into their walled garden, instead of out.

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Post by DiabloD3 »

_bxg1 wrote: post #193
walterbell wrote: post #176

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Some countries have laws which require devices to be fit-for-purposes that were advertised prior to sale. If consumers purchased a product based on claims made by Google, and those claims are not true, will regulators get involved? US Federal Trade Commission, https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/public_statements... (1983) > The basic question is whether the act or practice is likely to affect the consumer's c…

My girlfriend recently bought a sleep tracker device, from the store, new with shrink wrap, only to take it home and find out the service required to operate it had already shut down.

I've been seeing things like this in TJ Maxx lately.

I don't know if anyone at TJ Maxx even understands that these are not items they can sell, as they don't work anymore. I think they think they're just fancy watches.

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Post by gonyea »

hyeonwho4 wrote: post #118
kd0amg wrote: post #95

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First they came for Google Wave, and I did not speak out—Because I never really understood what Wave was to begin with. Then they came for Google+, and I did not speak out—Because almost all the people I want life updates from are on Facebook. Then they came for Google Reader, and I did not speak out—Because I never actually heard of Reader until years after it was eliminated. Maybe Reader was actually first? Then th…

You don't seem fully serious, but the writing is probably on the wall for third party tools which integrate with GMail. I use InboxZero through Beeminder, and could see Beeminder being locked out.

There are contractual obligations around changes to GSuite products (and their APIs).

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Post by URSpider94 »

For those who see this as Google turning off an unused service: no, just no. This is Google cutting off a massive interop ecosystem to try to parlay the success of Nest into higher adoption of Google Home. That’s vastly different than shutting down G+, Wave, Orkut, Reader, etc.

It would be as if they announced tomorrow that the only way to read GMail is in Chrome browser or on an Android phone.

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Post by netsec_burn »

gergles wrote: post #22

> I’m a Works with Nest developer. Will I be able to access and control Nest devices moving forward? > No. The Actions on Google Smart Home platform does not provide open API access to Nest devices, so it cannot be used to access and control Nest devices. Instead, managing and controlling Google Home, Nest, and thousands of third-party smart home devices is done through the Google Home app and the Google Assistant. W…

Isn't this anti-competitive with Amazon?

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Post by iscrewyou »

yellow_postit wrote: post #147
gboudrias wrote: post #74

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Really curious how shutting down every service works as a business model.

These services aren't Google's business model of Ads.

I should really move away Fromm google Calendar! I keep wanting to do it and never get around to it. It’s highly doubtful they’ll kill calendar (GSuite) but I also know they’ll find a way to.

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Post by gonyea »

freen wrote: post #185
michaelmrose wrote: post #168

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Ideally your Gmail ought to be through a domain and services that add value via imap. Then its impossible for the functionality to evaporate.

You are assuming they will retain imap functionality. Ask the xmpp/jabber folks about hangouts.

Uh, you realize that imap support has been in GMail for its entire history?

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Post by Joky »

mikeash wrote: post #178
cortesoft wrote: post #136

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I don't quite get what people expect... do they think that once google creates something, they are obligated to continue it indefinitely? That seems like an unreasonable expectation.

We expect web services to go away eventually. We expect physical products to keep working until they physically break. The problem is when companies sell physical products with a web service as a fundamental part of the product. Companies want to treat the web service like any other web service, while their customers reasonably expect their physical product to act like any other physical product. Edit: I want to add…

Are the physical devices not working after this change, or rather some of the applications developed for these devices need to switch to another API?

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Post by mirimir »

LilBytes wrote: post #203
mirimir wrote: post #162

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Use a VPN in a private VM.

Use a VPN in a private VM so you can use Google and get decent search results? Is your response satire? I want to believe it is.

What can I say? I mean, it works.

Using Google via VPN services, there are many other users. Occasionally someone's been a jerk, and Google gives you the stinkeye. But then you switch to a different server.

I added "private VM" in case OP was sharing a machine with his girlfriend. But really, it's always prudent to use VPNs from dedicated VMs. Because that compartmentalizes tracking. And using VMs also simplifies managing machine state. You can use a fresh clone for each session, for example. Or boot from a static image.

I like DDG and StartPage, for sure. But sometimes I just gotta use Google.

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Post by ceejayoz »

gonyea wrote: post #217
freen wrote: post #185

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You are assuming they will retain imap functionality. Ask the xmpp/jabber folks about hangouts.

Uh, you realize that imap support has been in GMail for its entire history?

So?

Doesn’t mean they can’t get rid of it.

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