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Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by walterbell »

bunderbunder wrote: post #157
cortesoft wrote: post #136

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I don't quite get what people expect... do they think that once google creates something, they are obligated to continue it indefinitely? That seems like an unreasonable expectation.

No company is, and expecting any company to continue spending money on maintaining a service even if they've decided it isn't profitable is pollyannaish. To that end, I'm not sure I see the value in framing this specifically as a Google thing. Google is maybe the most visible because of how many products it has, and how popular many of them are. But really, this sort of thing is a problem that's inherent to any IoT d…

There's a difference between an IoT manufacturer going out of business, which causes related software services to terminate, and an IoT manufacturer failing to deliver on device claims made before the sale took place.

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Post by hedora »

Andrex wrote: post #106
kd0amg wrote: post #95

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First they came for Google Wave, and I did not speak out—Because I never really understood what Wave was to begin with. Then they came for Google+, and I did not speak out—Because almost all the people I want life updates from are on Facebook. Then they came for Google Reader, and I did not speak out—Because I never actually heard of Reader until years after it was eliminated. Maybe Reader was actually first? Then th…

By the time they get around to killing Gmail all of HN/technorati will have grown to fully hate it anyways. :P /s

So tomorrow then?

One can dream. :-)

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Post by hedora »

mirimir wrote: post #162
hyeonwho4 wrote: post #111

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It feels like Google search is already curated. At home I cannot find academic articles which appeared in the search at work, because my girlfriend trained the home's recommendation engine on searches for cute cat pictures and domestic things. In DuckDuckGo, at least I know I will be able to find the same results for the same search terms no matter where I am.

Use a VPN in a private VM.

Or, duck duck go with the g! prefix, if you really must use google with bubbling turned off (instead of a reasonable alternative).

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by hedora »

criveros wrote: post #116
hello_asdf wrote: post #50

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I do. I have a command line nest app that I use to control my temperature.

Time to get an ecobee

I like my ecobee, but do they have an api that would let me control it via a CLI?!?

edit: yes: https://www.ecobee.com/home/developer/api/examples/index.sht...

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Post by freen »

michaelmrose wrote: post #168
hyeonwho4 wrote: post #118

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You don't seem fully serious, but the writing is probably on the wall for third party tools which integrate with GMail. I use InboxZero through Beeminder, and could see Beeminder being locked out.

Ideally your Gmail ought to be through a domain and services that add value via imap. Then its impossible for the functionality to evaporate.

You are assuming they will retain imap functionality.

Ask the xmpp/jabber folks about hangouts.

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Post by richev »

ars wrote: post #25
richev wrote: post #21

So my Nest app[1] that has 1800+ registered users will stop working in August. :'( [1] https://richev.me/nest

Can you switch it to Works with Google Assistant and get the same data?

That's a good question - and I'm not sure.

I created my app when I had a Nest thermostat and was working from home. The thermostat would assume that no-one was at home during the day - and so turn off the heating - as I didn't walk past it often enough, so the original purpose of the app was just to detect when I was actively using my PC, and ping the thermostat not to go into "Away" mode.

It was then really rewarding to add more features and make the app available for others to use. I got some lovely feedback and sensible feature requests via email, and one user generously did a French translation of the UI. I even got a small number of $€£s in Paypal donations!

However. I no longer have a Nest thermostat (moved to Australia, where they're not available), no longer work from home, and now have a young son. So I have to admit that prioritising the time & finding the motivation to rework the app to work against a different set of APIs (if even possible) may be hard to come by.

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Post by SkyPuncher »

jredwards wrote: post #69

Literally bought a nest thermostat yesterday. Glad it's still in the box. Wondering what the best alternative is now.

Ecobee.

Pretty sure ours paid for itself within 4 months.

If you have two-story house, the remote sensor is incredible for keeping the space you're in comfortable.

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Post by hedora »

ethbro wrote: post #16
gordon_freeman wrote: post #13

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I have Wemo smart plugs that I have plugged in all sorts of stuff like Heater, Lamps, and TV, etc connected to my Google Home and Home Mini. And I'd advise anyone to think twice before buying smart plugs or smart devices. There are so many bugs creating so many complications that I feel they are not worth using. You'd need to reconnect them with WEMO app time and again, restart these frequently if they just stop work…

The sad thing is it's not rocket science. It's just terrible, barely working, shoehorned in buggy drivers, "shipped as soon as it can appear functional" code. You could take a microcontroller, write something simple, and have something that worked to a few 9s. Instead, IoT vendors spend their time optimizing their data collection and monetization platforms. "You had one job..." would be a good epitaph for the entire…

s/a few nines/more nines than the cloud/
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