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Launch HN: Prometheus (YC W19) – Remove CO2 from Air and Turn It into Gasoline

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Re: Launch HN: Prometheus (YC W19) – Remove CO2 from Air and Turn It into Gasoline

#151

My two cents — change your name. Prometheus us too pretentious in my opinion. Also, Prometheus can be pronounced in different ways. Is it pronounced PromEEteus or PrometHeus? And its also ProMeth. :)

Most importantly, Prometheus is a well-known software...https://prometheus.io/

Re: Launch HN: Prometheus (YC W19) – Remove CO2 from Air and Turn It into Gasoline

#152

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It would not make sense today, but in 10 to 15 years, with climate regulations, having a carbon neutral jet fuel might start making a lot of sense.

I expect I'll see new battery powered aircraft before I see today's aircraft powered by kerosene synthesized from water and carbon dioxide in the air. And we'll probably see more rail/car before then since the massive cost increase on airline tickets from this will destroy the industry.

Battery powered aircrafts would require huge jumps in electrical storage. There are no signs of them becoming a reality any time soon. Not to mention the complete replacement of old planes is going to be very very slow.

I don't understand your rail/car replacing flying argument. There are no signs that flying is going to get so expensive that people would rather pay for it with so much of their time.

Re: Launch HN: Prometheus (YC W19) – Remove CO2 from Air and Turn It into Gasoline

#153

How is this different from what the US Navy has been trying to accomplish with turning seawater into Jet fuel? I know that they are extracting CO2 from the water instead of the air, but I believe the last I heard they had large inefficiency issues. And for them they plenty of power from their onboard reactor.

Google X did a project to remove CO2 from seawater and turn it into fuel. It was called project Foghorn: https://x.company/projects/foghorn/

They couldn't get the economics right, but did succeed in making fuel. Their tech lead is an advisor of ours and is excited to get there this time!

Re: Launch HN: Prometheus (YC W19) – Remove CO2 from Air and Turn It into Gasoline

#154
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Interesting proposition. 1. Why would your process be more cost effective and/or efficient than the commercially available processes for alcohol production? Surely if the magic sauce is the nanotube alcohol/water separation then conventional alcohol sources from fermentation will start using it at some point and will be able to produce same fuel but cheaper and/or more efficient. Maybe you can show that [photosynthes…

The cost of the agricultural feedstocks to biofuels are not easy to reduce further, whereas renewable electricity is getting less expensive and likely has much further to go. I think CO2 to fuel will have a decisive cost advantage over biofuels. The reason to use direct air capture rather that going for higher concentration point sources is one of scale. We want to produce fuel at scales much larger than can be accom…

Why not go for the higher concentrations now? Why not target agricultural ethanol plants now? I grant that long term they are limited, but why not use them now?

Higher CO2 concentration seems like it ought to make your initial testing easier.

Likewise, if you are really more cost effective than distillation all the existing ethanol plants would love to replace their boilers with your system. It seems like a simple way to get a small cash infusion selling to them. They can convert their ethanol to gasoline as well, and have infrastructure in place.

What I'm saying is don't bite off more than you can chew. If any piece works now push it while getting the others working.

Re: Launch HN: Prometheus (YC W19) – Remove CO2 from Air and Turn It into Gasoline

#155
Great work! If this really works at scale distributed around the globe, fuming lots of CO2 into the atmosphere maybe wasn't a bad idea after all. Since we thus distributed it evenly around the globe, it can be harvested back anywhere. Say goodbye to pipelines (in the far future).

Re: Launch HN: Prometheus (YC W19) – Remove CO2 from Air and Turn It into Gasoline

#156

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>If we replace fossil gasoline with renewable gasoline, that reduces CO2 emissions Nitpick: It will leave carbon emissions unchanged, but may reduce the amount added to the carbon cycle. What kind of production quantity are you looking at? Small batch aviation fuel for a niche "green" airline? Every semi truck on the road in America? The neighbor kid's go-kart? You give an "efficiency" of 60ish %, but I don't know ho…

We are going for the whole gasoline, jet fuel, and diesel market. The 100% efficient energy content of gasoline is approx. 34 kWh/ gallon. At 60% efficiency in converting renewable electricity to chemical energy, that would be approx. 57 kWh/gal.

Seems like France would love to have this technology to replace imported fuels, and the political problems that go with them, with fully-local nuclear-powered hydrocarbon production.

Re: Launch HN: Prometheus (YC W19) – Remove CO2 from Air and Turn It into Gasoline

#157

Very promising but I'm going to hold out until I actually see this being applied in places like South Korea, literally suffocating from a combination of both local and foreign smog from Korea's favorite neighbor. You can't really fault me because we've often seen groundbreaking, extraordinary claims, and very little of it is actually realized. Sort of like how we get news about how somebody found a cure for AIDs or C…

I totally agree on skepticism. We are working hard to prove our economics. We are targeting selling renewable gasoline from the air for a profit next year. It will be much better for air quality too!

Hope the best for you guys, I really do! If realized, this could be too seductive for foreign governments that depend on importation of oil and polluting their air to support export industries. Cleaning up the air AND mining the skies for gasoline? Good deal imho.

Re: Launch HN: Prometheus (YC W19) – Remove CO2 from Air and Turn It into Gasoline

#158

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With respect, that answer skirts the question of what happens to the water. You said you're using the nanotube membrane to separate petro products from the water. What do you do with the water left over? What state is the water in when the process is complete? Potable? In need of treatment by traditional water treatment facilities?

The water becomes the fuel. The hydrogen combines with the carbon in CO2 to form hydrocarbons, while the oxygen combines with itself to form molecular oxygen.

I would think so, but the founder says: we have a carbon nanotube membrane that replaces it, extracting the alcohols from water

This implies there is still water there. Maybe it was poor phrasing, and all of the water is consumed, but that isn't what is stated.

Re: Launch HN: Prometheus (YC W19) – Remove CO2 from Air and Turn It into Gasoline

#159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With respect, that answer skirts the question of what happens to the water. You said you're using the nanotube membrane to separate petro products from the water. What do you do with the water left over? What state is the water in when the process is complete? Potable? In need of treatment by traditional water treatment facilities?

If water is an input and not an output, that implies it's consumed, not left over.

I would think so, but the founder says: we have a carbon nanotube membrane that replaces it [distillation], extracting the alcohols from water

This implies there is still water there. Maybe it was poor phrasing, and all of the water is consumed, but that isn't what is stated.

Re: Launch HN: Prometheus (YC W19) – Remove CO2 from Air and Turn It into Gasoline

#160

Here's what I don't understand - You're taking CO2 out of the atmosphere using renewable energy sources. Thermodynamically, this will take at least as much energy as it took to burn them. You did not mention how energy efficient your energy storage method is right now (50-60% at maturity sounds really optimistic, when plants are only a few %), but, in the short term, while we're still mostly using carbon-based fuels,…

Probably just the last line? Even still, we can easily build out way more solar than we need so if there remains a need for energy dense carbon fuels then why not?
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