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Up to one million species are on the verge of extinction, U.N. panel says

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Re: Up to one million species are on the verge of extinction, U.N. panel says

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We keep hearing that individual actions don't matter and that we need a system change instead. I used to hold the same opinion for the very long time. However, since recently I started to turn around. For the last 30 years governments and politicians have proven incapable to do anything about global heating. What makes us think it will be any different in the coming years. Scientists keep producing report after repor…

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Re: Up to one million species are on the verge of extinction, U.N. panel says

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Is there a link to the actual paper for categorizing the number of species going extinct?

It is based on a report by this group:

https://www.ipbes.net/

The report will be published "later this year."

You can access a "summary for policy makers" from this press release:

https://www.ipbes.net/news/Media-Release-Global-Assessment

Edit: The summary for policy makers indicates that species extinction estimates are based on data maintained here: https://www.iucnredlist.org/

Re: Up to one million species are on the verge of extinction, U.N. panel says

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Personally I think that we need to change what it means to be standard vegetarian - add fish, remove dairy. Better for the environment and perhaps easier for people to switch to! Currently, I have to go around calling myself a "lacto-pescatarian" which is far too much of a mouthful

It would be far better for the planet for vegetarians to eat chicken than to continue to support the fishing industry.

Fish farms are more environmentally sustainable than chicken farms. Overfishing is a problem but it's not the only way to get fish

Re: Up to one million species are on the verge of extinction, U.N. panel says

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>> Stop flying to conferences This is not tenable for executive-level staffers. >> Reduce your meat consumption as much as you can. This is definitely an impactful idea, specifically red meat by quite a large difference comparative to other meats. >> If you have any investments shift them from fossil to green. This is not really a tenable suggestion either unless you are suggesting everyone take a giant hit to yield…

> This is definitely an impactful idea, specifically red meat by quite a large difference comparative to other meats. This isn't exactly tenable for everyone, either. Some people [like me] need to fairly regularly eat red meat for the B12/Iron uptake benefits alongside supplementation. Instead the industry should be pushed toward larger changes like this: https://e360.yale.edu/features/how-eating-seaweed-can-help-c..…

That’s exactly it though. Conservatives are no doubt irritated by environmental jeremiads because they know revivals and camp meetings when they see them. Usually when this seaweed reducing methane stuff gets mentioned you hear crickets from the hair-shirt crowd

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In many places in America, the only (or at least the most vocal / visible by far) vegans you'll encounter tend to be weak, unhealthy, and obnoxious about their veganism. The hypocrisy makes it hard to take a rational look at the health benefits. These are the last 4 encounters I remember myself or someone close to me having with vegans: (1) Someone who spent 2 weeks traveling with family to a country that eats mostly…

I think has more to do with the fact that any sort of vocal veganism is considered obnoxious in the US. So yeah, anyone who tells you they're vegan will be labeled as obnoxious.

Yeah if only we could figure out how it got associated with obnoxious people in the first place.

Re: Up to one million species are on the verge of extinction, U.N. panel says

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So? Isn't this just evolution in action? Isn't this what's supposed to happen? We kill off 1M species, we eat the planet, humans eventually go through a winnowing process, from lack of resources, or nuclear war, or AI, and in a couple hundred million years, everything adapts to fill out the prevailing ecology again. What makes us think we're so special? I'm only being partly sarcastic here. With 500 MILLION years of…

Careful - the belief in evolution as a sacred and holy process is what leads to racism. I know you said you're half sarcastic, but that means you half-believe it. Evolution is simply a process by which generations of organisms become more fit to their environment over time. Treating it as something more - some kind of natural state of the universe or hand of destiny is what leads to the idea that it's necessary to fa…

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Re: Up to one million species are on the verge of extinction, U.N. panel says

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We keep hearing that individual actions don't matter and that we need a system change instead. I used to hold the same opinion for the very long time. However, since recently I started to turn around. For the last 30 years governments and politicians have proven incapable to do anything about global heating. What makes us think it will be any different in the coming years. Scientists keep producing report after repor…

> - Start working part time, and part of that part time remotely.

With the number of people currently having to work more than one job, it's hard to see how they can switch to part-time.

I know some people who pay >50% of their income towards rent, and their rent isn't especially high. It's that their income per job isn't very high, and housing is set by competitive demand in areas with jobs, not by cost of provision.

We're going to have to solve the cost-of-basics problem somehow, before many people can reduce their work hours to part time.

But that doesn't stop people who can do it from doing it, and maybe that's enough to turn the tide for everyone.

Re: Up to one million species are on the verge of extinction, U.N. panel says

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We keep hearing that individual actions don't matter and that we need a system change instead. I used to hold the same opinion for the very long time. However, since recently I started to turn around. For the last 30 years governments and politicians have proven incapable to do anything about global heating. What makes us think it will be any different in the coming years. Scientists keep producing report after repor…

Start working part time? And if my boss won't let me, find a job that will?

You forgot to add "figure out how to live on 95% less income" to your list.

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