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Re: 'One Ring' Phone Scam

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I occasionally contemplate trying to find a data-only plan for my cell phone, with no associated cell number.

That may be impossible under current cell designs. WiFi hotspots even have assigned phone numbers.

But a hotspot doesn't ring, so you can ignore it.

My hotspot gets spam text messages but I'm only aware of them the once or twice a year I log into its control panel.

Re: 'One Ring' Phone Scam

#52

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I don't know, I could see the big mobile networks going off on their own and highlighting trusted callers from their own networks. And it would take only a few peering points between the big providers to cover the vast majority of cell users. I would actually switch networks for this (presumably one would do it first).

Heh, I once spoofed the number of a provider’s outbound promotions CID. My friends on that network never paid to receive my calls, even while roaming.

If more people knew how to do this I think the phone companies would finally crack down on bogus caller ID. Right now there's no incentive.

Re: 'One Ring' Phone Scam

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Wouldn't help here in the US. They almost always fake caller id from a local prefix.

70% of the spam calls I get could be stopped simply by blocking the exact same exchange that my number is in. Do spam callers really think I'm expecting a call from the same area code, same exchange as my own number? Do most people have friends that have phone numbers with the same first six digits in common with their own? I feel like this trick can't possibly work on anyone who has already seen it twice, and just b…

Yes. I bought my parent's thier phones and so they are on my plan, with very similar numbers.

And at work, all company phones are on the same first digits.

Re: 'One Ring' Phone Scam

#54

I feel like if FCC/Telephone providers don't fix this soon, traditional cell phones will become unreliable and we will need to adopt a new system or just use existing framework (facetime, whatsapp, etc.). If every cell phone has LTE and internet connection, why the fuck do we need traditional cell phone number? I never use it except for calling my pharmacy, customer support or restaurants/shops. All conversations wit…

AT&T and T-mobile (maybe others?) have free spam filtering. It's not perfect but it does help. As for your other question - there are still lots and lots and lots of regular phones in the world that call me and that I need to call. As you mentioned in your example - every business, school, government, etc.

Someone decided to spoof my cell phone number to spam call people. I don’t know how they filter spam calls from legit numbers without a new approach akin to DKIM/SPF where the number sets what carrier a call can originate from.

Re: 'One Ring' Phone Scam

#55

I feel like if FCC/Telephone providers don't fix this soon, traditional cell phones will become unreliable and we will need to adopt a new system or just use existing framework (facetime, whatsapp, etc.). If every cell phone has LTE and internet connection, why the fuck do we need traditional cell phone number? I never use it except for calling my pharmacy, customer support or restaurants/shops. All conversations wit…

> I think there is a real need for email equivalent of a VOIP solution where there is automatic spam filtering just like emails.

https://truecaller.com uses a crowd-sourced model to help you identify PSTN callers and spammers not in your contacts.

Besides, I think WhatsApp had the right idea around personal communication at least when Jan and Brian called the shots.

> If every cell phone has LTE and internet connection, why the fuck do we need traditional cell phone number?

I think with SecureElement now common in Android-based devices, eSIMs would be ubiquitous and may be SpaceX's Starlink would mean the end of traditional PSTN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19680412

Re: 'One Ring' Phone Scam

#57
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Scammers are getting more and more sophisticated now a days. It seems like most of these scam calls are a result of the ability to spoof phone numbers. Spoofing phone numbers does have legitimate purposes (for example a phone number from a customer service company is able to use their company phone number as the caller ID) but these scammers seem to abuse this. It's quite similar to how SMTP for emails allows the "Fr…

> allow users to be able to see the "Real" underlying phone number

There are many cases where people will find it unacceptable. You don't want someone to dial directly to someone's desk at a corporation rather than front desk. You don't want someone to call a doctor on their private phone (they call out via practice's number from the road). Etc.

You can't solve this issue by providing the two number. It's only solvable by making spam calls expensive for the callers, or punishing telcos for unverified spoofing.

Re: 'One Ring' Phone Scam

#58

I feel like if FCC/Telephone providers don't fix this soon, traditional cell phones will become unreliable and we will need to adopt a new system or just use existing framework (facetime, whatsapp, etc.). If every cell phone has LTE and internet connection, why the fuck do we need traditional cell phone number? I never use it except for calling my pharmacy, customer support or restaurants/shops. All conversations wit…

> I think there is a real need for email equivalent of a VOIP solution where there is automatic spam filtering just like emails. https://truecaller.com uses a crowd-sourced model to help you identify PSTN callers and spammers not in your contacts. Besides, I think WhatsApp had the right idea around personal communication at least when Jan and Brian called the shots. > If every cell phone has LTE and internet connecti…

These apps steal your phonebook and upload it

Re: 'One Ring' Phone Scam

#59
post #39
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't help here in the US. They almost always fake caller id from a local prefix.

70% of the spam calls I get could be stopped simply by blocking the exact same exchange that my number is in. Do spam callers really think I'm expecting a call from the same area code, same exchange as my own number? Do most people have friends that have phone numbers with the same first six digits in common with their own? I feel like this trick can't possibly work on anyone who has already seen it twice, and just b…

The way a friend described it to me, if you have a child, and that child is out of your sight, you sort of have to be open to answering phone calls from your local area.

Re: 'One Ring' Phone Scam

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I can’t imagine why anyone ever answers the phone. I get at least ten robocalls every weekday. I don’t ever look at my voicemail and I haven’t answered a call in ages. Edit: I know I’m not alone because CNN just released a poll with no responses from people under the age of fifty, because they couldn’t reach enough of them by phone.

> I can’t imagine why anyone ever answers the phone. I get at least ten robocalls every weekday.

I answer the phone all the time and it's always someone I know. I do not have a caller id display.

Here's how I managed that.

Only 4 people know my real phone number and are under orders not to add it to any digital address book.

My phone number is registered to an alias. I pay for my phone using cash.

My area code is in a city I've never lived in and have no connection to.

I add my number to the do not call list.

For generic phone number requests, such as stores and shipper that demand it, it's always 555-1212.

Of course this method won't work well for people who need to give their phone number out to people they don't know. But then again if that result is simply not to answer the phone ever, why would that be better. And for those who really only ever want to hear from a half dozen or fewer trusted friends and family, this is a solution that works.

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