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Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

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Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

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That's… one of the more interesting things I've read today.

The parent referred to "Chinese commenters" (and "ward off" was bad enough), but your comment seems to imply that they're all "CCP astroturfers". That's against the site guidelines. Would you mind reviewing them? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Obviously there are real issues to be discussed here, but to do so well means we have to get good at not doing things that kill real discussion, and denigrati…

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Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

#102
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I think that’s naive. China can just arrest you for using encryption. Same result. (This isn’t limited to China - the US could have similar results with slightly differing laws)

They can't arrest everyone. Make encryption widespread and unquestionably superior to unencrypted communication and I don't think the government can do much to stop it.

According to Wikipedia [1] Stalin actually came pretty close to arresting everyone.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag#Brief_history

Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

#103

It's basically another way to spread fear to encourage self censorship. If admins believe they are liable for anything non-kosher, then they'd actively censor it themselves to avoid potential wrath. Throw in a few news articles of someone being arrested for a trivial group post, and it becomes an example of 杀一儆百 which translates as "to kill 1 as a warning to 100"

Predictable consequence of the GDPR: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18863496

Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

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>Besides obscene and illegal content, it is not allowed, as this article lists, to post “politically sensitive information”, “spread rumors,” “bring news about Hong Kong, Macau or Taiwan that has not been reported by official news channels,” or to publish “military information.” The scope of "illegal activities" is what's at fault here, not the means by which they are enforced. The fact that we can even have this dis…

I didn't see anywhere in the Chinese article that mentioned "politically sensitive information", "bring news about Hong Kong, Macau or Taiwan that has not been reported by official news channels", publish “military information.” The sentence "spread rumors" is mentioned in combination with "scamming" and should be focusing on "scamming" part.

From one of the articles[0](in a bit of a more readable format here[1]):

目前,微信群已经开始立法,规范管理。任何发言都要担负法律责任,尤其是群主,所以请群成员今后发微信一定要注意。

1、政治敏感话题不发

[...]

5、有关港澳台新闻在官方网站未发布前不发

It's there, black and white. I don't get what your bit here is (I find it hard to believe in the value of actually paying people to astroturf HN of all places on CN net policy), but the list is there.

[0]: http://jnews.xhby.net/waparticles/10/mpgxaeczAjZ1YnAf/1 [1]: https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1631969530712383182&wfr=spi...

Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

#105

This has already been happening in India under the current govt Any Anti PM post gets the Whatsapp admin arrested under National Security Act! Of course, there must be some stupid party supporter who probably had to file a case or something. This will be worse as it'll be automatic as China MITM's everything

Did all the dictators get together and decide on the phrase "national security" as the go to when implementing authoritarian laws?

Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

#106
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's… one of the more interesting things I've read today.

The parent referred to "Chinese commenters" (and "ward off" was bad enough), but your comment seems to imply that they're all "CCP astroturfers". That's against the site guidelines. Would you mind reviewing them? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Obviously there are real issues to be discussed here, but to do so well means we have to get good at not doing things that kill real discussion, and denigrati…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party Wu Mao Dang is common enough and well known enough that it has a wikipedia page(a very thoroughly edited and referenced one)...it IS real discussion.

Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

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What happens if you get women together?

Women getting together is fine. Not once have groups of women ever been known to rebel against the government. Were you also attributing "It's better to let things burn" to me personally?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette

> A suffragette was a member of militant women's organisations in the early 20th century who, under the banner "Votes for Women", fought for the right to vote in public elections, known as women's suffrage.

> The suffragettes heckled politicians, tried to storm parliament, were attacked and sexually assaulted during battles with the police, chained themselves to railings, smashed windows, set fire to postboxes and empty buildings, set bombs in order to damage churches and property, and faced anger and ridicule in the media.

Men and women are human beings. We all fight for what we want.

Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

#108

It's basically another way to spread fear to encourage self censorship. If admins believe they are liable for anything non-kosher, then they'd actively censor it themselves to avoid potential wrath. Throw in a few news articles of someone being arrested for a trivial group post, and it becomes an example of 杀一儆百 which translates as "to kill 1 as a warning to 100"

Predictable consequence of the GDPR: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18863496

Sorry but, what does the GDPR have to do with this story about China? China doesn't care what laws Europe writes.

Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

#109

Censorship coming soon to a neighborhood near you. You don’t have to look too far to point fingers at censorship. Our Social Media overlords just banned “conspiracy theorists”. What if I like watching conspiracy theories for the heck of it because the MSM is nauseating merchant of “truth”.

My rule of thumb is that people who get banned for saying "out there" stuff are controlled opposition and people who get banned for saying common sense and obvious stuff are real opposition.

Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

#110
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Please don't post unsubstantive comments here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I have posted and do frequently see "unsubstantive" comments, but somehow the mere connotation of gender is a flag. From a historical perspective, such a question in even its simplest form is entirely valid given the nature of gender roles in societies. Are/were conspiring women's groups more or less feared than men's? I don't know myself, and my comment was sincere in that regard.

Both you and pmontra above are completely misreading thaumasiotes's comments in a knee-jerk reaction. They were simply paraphrasing the intent of the quote from Trajan... If you have an issue with it, bring it up with Trajan.
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