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Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

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Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

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Post by ummonk »

saagarjha wrote: post #44
_frip wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty interesting comment. Let me see a reputable source which backs up 'anti pm message arrest under national security act'. I googled those and found just one arrest in a state which said > Asked why Shinde had been suspended, Sharma said, “He has not been suspended just for the message. In the past, too, complaints were received against him for favouring certain political party person and showing political inclin…

> In the past, too, complaints were received against him for favouring certain political party person and showing political inclination. Why is this even a "valid" reason?

Even in the US there are restrictions on political activity by civil servants. Although I doubt those would encompass what was described here.

Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

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Post by barkingtoad »

astonex wrote: post #32
barkingtoad wrote: post #17

In the UK you can be arrested for teaching your girlfriend's pug to heil as a joke.

While the prosecution was dumb (it was clearly a joke), he did turn out to be a huge right wing racist anyway

Well that appears to be what your media has informed you

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Post by astonex »

barkingtoad wrote: post #72
astonex wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the prosecution was dumb (it was clearly a joke), he did turn out to be a huge right wing racist anyway

Well that appears to be what your media has informed you

I'm sure your media is far more correct than my media.

Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

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Post by rtpg »

echevil wrote: post #67
dev_dull wrote: post #34

The extremely strong freedom of speech laws we have in the US is definitely something we got right. Reading things like this make me really grateful about those protections.

If you read the referenced article in Chinese, you'll see the point of the regulation in China is cracking down illegal activities that often occurs in group chats, e.g. selling illegal stuff, organizing crime. I doubt US would take no actions against these activities.

>Besides obscene and illegal content, it is not allowed, as this article lists, to post “politically sensitive information”, “spread rumors,” “bring news about Hong Kong, Macau or Taiwan that has not been reported by official news channels,” or to publish “military information.”

The scope of "illegal activities" is what's at fault here, not the means by which they are enforced.

The fact that we can even have this discussion is in itself proof that there's orders of magnitudes of difference in allowed speech.

Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

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Post by echevil »

jjcc wrote: post #58

I guess: 1.Most people who can not read Chinese believe "detained" or "arrested" is on the photo of the newspaper as a proof. Is it true? Ask your friend who can read Chinese what the head line says. If the author was honest, she should explicitly stated that "detained" or "arrested" is from other source but not from the image. She is manipulating readers perception while she can claim she didn't lie. 2.No body notic…

> No body notice the date of the newspaper is missing

The article itself mentioned a date, Oct 8, 2017, when the "new" regulation come into effect. So yes, this is old news.

Reading the article in Chinese, I do understand that the main focus of the new article is cracking down illegal activities like distributing pornography (which is illegal in China), gambling, scamming, etc, which are problems on the social networks that are quite important to solve.

I didn't see anywhere in the Chinese article that mentioned "politically sensitive information", "bring news about Hong Kong, Macau or Taiwan that has not been reported by official news channels", publish “military information.” The sentence "spread rumors" is mentioned in combination with "scamming" and should be focusing on "scamming" part.

But again, there's nothing surprising that western media interpret this in a completely different way. That's just one thing they all love to do.

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Post by dev_dull »

HNthrow22 wrote: post #49
dev_dull wrote: post #34

The extremely strong freedom of speech laws we have in the US is definitely something we got right. Reading things like this make me really grateful about those protections.

except at the moment we're dealing with highly organized paid misinformation campaigns and widespread propaganda under the guise of free speech. This will not be popular on Hn but in my opinion holding users and platforms responsible for the messages they distribute to millions is the inevitable evolution and future of social media, society has demonstrated the inability to responsibly handle anonymous unchecked mass…

I’m not sure I agree. When they debated how our democracy should function, they were actually quite aware of the power of the mob. How easily swayed and passionate people can become. They built safeguards for it everywhere.

But at the end day they agreed that freedom of speech is too important even with all of its dangers.

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Post by dang »

paavoova wrote: post #70
thaumasiotes wrote: post #63

> YOU are of opinion it would be proper to establish a company of firemen in Nicomedia, [similar] to what has been practised in several other cities. But it is to be remembered that societies of this sort have greatly disturbed the peace of the province in general, and of those cities in particular. Whatever name we give them, and for whatever purposes them may be founded, they will not fail to form themselves into f…

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