JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

Post by codedokode » Fri, May 03, 2019, 2:51 AM UTC

chatmasta wrote: post #18

crazygringo wrote: post #9

Most relevant details, from the last link [1]: > It took her photo, comparing her picture to a preloaded photo databased of all the passengers with tickets on this flight, and then she got a check mark, indicating she was cleared to board. The whole process took about five to six seconds. > The Aruba experiment is expected to last somewhere between 45 and 90 days. > "We're basically capturing that picture at the boar…

Is it really that useful to identify someone who has overstayed their visa when they are leaving the country ? Sure, you then know not to let them in next time. But it seems like a lot of effort when there are so many people overstaying their visa and not leaving out of the airports. That said, even as a libertarian, privacy-conscious person, I'm not sure I have a problem with exit controls like this. It's important…

Post by codedokode » Fri, May 03, 2019, 3:05 AM UTC

jtd514 wrote: post #109

yalogin wrote: post #60

I can bet that they have a copy of all photos on their servers. No company will be foolish enough to build a business/service that relies on another entity, much so a government organization that is not known for building highly scalable services. This is a crucial part of their process and any delays will impact their bottom line. So they have all faces with them and so does every other company. Also, just the face…

This is foolish. It would be very dumb for a company to take the liability if they did not have to.

Post by codedokode » Fri, May 03, 2019, 3:14 AM UTC

kruegel wrote: post #38

ProAm wrote: post #7

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> According to what the airline said, the airline doesn't have the facial recognition data I absolutely do not believe the tweets from a company PR representative as to how their technology actually works.

Regardless of whether this PR person knows anything or not, I think the much more likely scenario is that they are sending facial recognition requests to a CBP API vs. building their own facial recognition database with 100s of millions of identities out of thin air.

Post by will4274 » Fri, May 03, 2019, 3:24 AM UTC

dannyobrien wrote: post #106

crazygringo wrote: post #63

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> You’re kidding right? There’s multiple privacy problems. No, not kidding. There's a legitimate government interest in identifying people entering and leaving a country. This isn't Facebook, or even cameras on street corners -- this is a government responsible for enforcing legitimate immigration policies at a legitimate location (the border) for a wide variety of reasons (safety, economic, etc.), which absolutely r…

Out of interest, how would you argue against someone using your justifications for facial recognition on street corners, which you seem to think is a step too far? Would your argument against street corner recognition systems have been different before and after facial recognition was required at the border? You mention that having your photo taken at passport control is “pretty normal”. Do you remember when it was n…

Post by [deleted] » Fri, May 03, 2019, 3:38 AM UTC

irrational wrote: post #128

jacobolus wrote: post #115

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They don’t “need to know” for reasons which are of significant practical benefit to citizens/residents. But institutions like governments only “see” via data collection, and in general are happy to collect whatever is technically and socially feasible, and people involved in setting up databases seldom stop to think about the risks or trade-offs involved in collecting various types of data, or whether that data is me…

It seems to me that being opposed to someone breaking the law is not equivalent to being a sadistic xenophobe. Finding people who rob banks at some point and punishing them is of great interest to people fearful of robbers who like disrupting robbers’ lives for no practical purpose because they gain sadistic satisfaction from cruelly exercising power over other people.