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Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location and Web History

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Re: Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location and Web History

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You're welcome to believe whatever you want, but a decent chunk of my day job is making sure that it's true.

'justcodebruh' your comment is marked as dead, but to answer your question I work on Google's privacy engineering team.

Your team is doing a shitty job, to be completely honest.

This comment and all the comments beliw it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19809168

Re: Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location and Web History

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There's a hint of hubris in this move, the way I see it. Google must have enough confidence in the interferential power of the data they've accumulated that they can now wash their hands of anti-privacy dark patterns and declare themselves pure. It's a huge PR win without having to commit to deep changes in their (primary) business model.

Re: Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location and Web History

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It would have been fairer to let the users decide how many days precisely they want to keep history, and let everyone find their sweet spots. And, sure, it's deleted from Google. Is it also deleted from ads networks after Google shared the data with them? I doubt about it.

What do you mean? Google is the ad network. They aren't sharing that data with anyone else.

Re: Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location and Web History

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Google should know that they have very little credit left on my side. When I read the this article, I immediately think about the ways on how they can still keep tracking me.

- Check the latest user status after 3 months before deleting user history.

- Compare it with the previous 3 months and update the difference ona separate table that are not facing the end user.

- Scrub location and web history from user facing database.

It saddens me now that all google apps on my mobile phone are no longer allowed to access nothing. I try to only grant access if i really need to. This is how it became unfortunately.

Re: Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location and Web History

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Likewise. I don't think it's reasonable to require these permissions in order to use a Google Home device or the Google Assistant, for instance. I can understand needing to remember the last query, in order to provide context for the next one. Automatic scrubbing would be helpful...but it's missing an "every 10 minutes" option. (Today, my solution is a completely separate Google account that only gets used for Google…

It would surprise me if Google didn't have those accounts linked anyway, thus undermining your policy. A Google employee once called me on my personal cell phone when I was a few minutes late to a business meeting. I still don't see how that could've happened unless they'd linked my work (g-suite) account with my personal (gmail) account, and then allowed their employees to access personal data in a totally inappropr…

The point isn't to avoid any connection between the accounts. The point is to ensure that my primary account can leave those histories turned off.

Re: Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location and Web History

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'justcodebruh' your comment is marked as dead, but to answer your question I work on Google's privacy engineering team.

Your team is doing a shitty job, to be completely honest. This comment and all the comments beliw it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19809168

LOL rather than applaud some modicum of privacy we may be getting back, you decide to denigrate. Should we all hold this cynical attitude and hope for no progress at all?

Re: Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location and Web History

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> One nice form of regulation would be a mechanism to let companies in this situation make a formal and binding privacy claim, that would then expose them to painful consequences if shown to be untrue. Or you could just make making false representations to get anything of value from people a tort generally , and in egregious cases a crime as well, rather than making it a privacy-specific regulation, and without makin…

Your scenario means you have to sue Google and win, as well as prove damages. That has historically just not worked. When Snapchat was shown to be collecting location data after explicitly promising not to, for example, they just got a slap on the wrist. I'm taking about a system that would let companies voluntarily increase their legal exposure to specific claims as a proof of commitment. That would allow companies…

> Your scenario means you have to sue Google and win, as well as prove damages. That has historically just not worked.

So does a proposal about a special ceremony which makes the claim binding; you still have to take action when they break it, and prove that they did.

> I'm taking about a system that would let companies voluntarily increase their legal exposure to specific claims as a proof of commitment.

Increased exposure in what specific way? Lowering the standard of proof below preponderance of the evidence? Keeping that standard but allowing statutory minimum damages? Adding a damages multiplier?

Re: Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location and Web History

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> detailed written policy Oh we're all good then!

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but breaking a written policy is (AFAIK) fraud and has some teeth to it.

Assuming that you, an individual, can prove not only that the policy was broken, but also broken at the time when the policy was in effect. T&Cs change often, and only major changes require notifying the user.

The entire burden of proof would be on you, vs. a behemoth corp whose bottom line depends on maximizing data collection and retention.

Go to court on your own dime, prove it, and yes, the penalty might have some teeth. Might.

Re: Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location and Web History

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Is that even possible? If you use X data to generate a model and then delete the data and keep the model, you could in theory use the model to re-identify that user that deleted the data with a high degree of confidence.

In general models trained on individual users' data get rebuilt when the underlying data changes so as to properly reflect the current state of the source data.

Do you have any specific policies around this? I suspect it would be hard to say definitively that there aren't remnants of data I've asked Google to forget still kicking around.
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