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Jack Dorsey Is Gwyneth Paltrow for Silicon Valley

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Re: Jack Dorsey Is Gwyneth Paltrow for Silicon Valley

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Last time I visited my parents I noticed that my mom had Gwyneth Paltrow's cookbook on her shelf. She mentioned how pretentious and crazy it was. I flipped through it and I couldn't identify most of the ingredients.

Yahoo News calculated it would cost you $300/day to feed your family from her cookbook:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130719034903/http://shine.yaho...

And speaking of Dorsey, this is another crazy article about him:

>Why are Silicon Valley billionaires starving themselves?

>Dorsey recently appeared on the Ben Greenfield Fitness podcast to explain his monkish lifestyle in more detail than the 240 character blasts he's known for sending out to the less biologically enlightened universe. He says he eats only one meal a day in the week and doesn't let any foodstuff pass his lips at the weekend. He also starts every day with an ice bath. "Nothing has given me more mental confidence than being able to go straight from room temperature into the cold," he says.

https://theweek.com/articles/835226/why-are-silicon-valley-b...

Re: Jack Dorsey Is Gwyneth Paltrow for Silicon Valley

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This doesn't seem all that different than say typical celebrity culture followers (Paltrow falls into that category) who adapt it to a sort of lifestyle. I find it a bit weird as I've not found any folks who I want to emulate what they eat or emulate their lifestyle in general. Granted I'd like to be healthier but that's a thing, not a person.

Are being healthy and not unhealthy the same thing? For example not smoking is "not unhealthy" in the sense it does not hurt your lungs, but I would not consider standing around not smoking as being healthy. Similarly drinking water is not unhealthy compared to the harms of soda and dehydration.

The traditional form of healthy is avoiding harm; avoiding less than normal health. Ice baths and fasting seem like an attempt to be above the baseline normal healthy. Its an addition instead of avoiding a subtraction.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool, you also just described Gwyenth Paltrow.

Okay, now tell me what’s wrong about not being fat and diabetic. Note I certainly don’t endorse veganism where you’re missing out on essential fats and proteins.

Veganism don’t require that you miss out on essential fats and proteins.

Re: Jack Dorsey Is Gwyneth Paltrow for Silicon Valley

#35

I'm curious how they compare "fasting" - which people have been doing for thousands of years and has traditions in nearly every major historical + religious culture and cost nothing with "jade eggs." Doesn't quite seem equivalent...

I've been doing some fasting lately, and what has deeply shocked me is precisely that I'm not "staggering about hungry for days". It's surprisingly easy once you get over the initial hump. (Note: I'm not saying it's necessarily easy in an absolute sense; I'm saying it's surprising how easy it is. Based on my upbringing I would have guessed after hour 4 I'd be in constant serious hunger, and it's not like that.)

I've come to understand that what I interpreted as "hunger" in the past was basically a sugar craving. I don't know how long it would take real hunger to get to that level, but even in a two-day fast I'd only gotten up to more-or-less "I could eat, yeah"... still a long ways from the hunger I've had in the past.

(Also, my interest in it has actually been coming from the scientific side, rather than the traditional side or crazywhack theory or any sort of Puritan impulse. I have an autoimmune disease, and there's been a lot of interesting work on those and fasting lately.)

Re: Jack Dorsey Is Gwyneth Paltrow for Silicon Valley

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While Dorsey is rather extreme, his lifestyle is a lot healthier than the average American’s or most everyone’s in the developed world. Eating junk food around the clock is really bad for you. Note that Dorsey isn’t fat and diabetic like so many people these days.

"Not as bad as", aka The Fallacy of Relative Privation, is a "red herring" fallacy. It is a distraction, a diversion, and, in so many words, whataboutism.

yes its veganism that is the extreme part of this...

Re: Jack Dorsey Is Gwyneth Paltrow for Silicon Valley

#37

Comparing Jack Dorsey to Gwyneth Paltrow is unfair because she made money by recommending Goop products. Dorsey, on the other hand, is being open about his lifestyle because people ask him about it.

They are being compared as sources of cultural influence, not in terms of their personal degree of responsibility.

Re: Jack Dorsey Is Gwyneth Paltrow for Silicon Valley

#38
Never understood the disdain for people for trying wacky sounding self-improvement techniques. Just like I wouldn't make fun of the 17% of Americans who take antidepressant pills to feel happier, I'm definitely not going to make fun of people fasting or using sauna to feel happy.

Re: Jack Dorsey Is Gwyneth Paltrow for Silicon Valley

#39
I'm firmly of the opinion that a lot of wellness fads spring up fields like tech because its a field where traditional religious views are rarer. People latch on to these new belief systems that are like religion in most ways beside name. They all have a set of rigid rules to follow and rituals to perform, and they all have some type of self-denial or sacrifice as one of their core values. Fasting, temperance, Whole30, gluten free, even modern fitness culture all share elements of denying yourself things you enjoy or putting yourself through unpleasant situations in search of some kind of enlightenment or transcendence.

I often see the same people falling into fad after fad, first telling me how EMFs are poison and will be looked at like cigarettes in a decade, and how singing bowls realign my spirit, and trying to insist on the power of visualization can cure chronic pain. I'm curious what it is that causes this.

Re: Jack Dorsey Is Gwyneth Paltrow for Silicon Valley

#40

Can't read the article without making an account but the first paragraph is a real zinger. >Young men are staggering around, hungry for days. They are throwing themselves into ice baths and cryotherapy pods. There are not enough beds at the silent vegan meditation centers to accommodate them. They need more near-infrared bulbs.

Reading this comment before the article I thought this was describing some near future dystopia, but it's actually things he does and prescribes, albeit with some hyperbole (I fast, and 'staggering around, hungry for days' ain't it). He gets points for being interesting I suppose.
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