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Tether Says Stablecoin Is Only Backed 74% by Cash, Securities

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Re: Tether Says Stablecoin Is Only Backed 74% by Cash, Securities

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Surprised Tether is willing to open it's mouth on this subject. Glass houses...stones...

They have to. They're under investigation by the New York State Attorney General.[1] That sort of thing usually doesn't end well.

[1] https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/attorney-general-james-annou...

Re: Tether Says Stablecoin Is Only Backed 74% by Cash, Securities

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Bitfinex money was on an account of a small Polish bank. It was confiscated by a US government when they chased Colombian drug cartels earlier in 2018. There was no proper segregation of client funds by their payment processor Crypto Capital Corp. Looks like Tether was collateral damage. Polish source: https://zaufanatrzeciastrona.pl/post/gielda-bitfinex-zgubila... (please use Google translator)

What would happen if the US Government stepped in and took over Tether? Would it be feasible for a different foreign government to do so?

They would almost certainly not have the jurisdiction. They’re a BVI Corp (a jurisdiction that tends to look the other way at corporate fraud) and I believe operate out of Hong Kong. Lately it seems the Chinese government practically encourages companies to commit securities fraud in the US so I can’t imagine they’d be much help either.

I suspect the likely outcome (eventually.. and if Bitfinex doesnt fold first) is the US government seizing their domain to prevent them from continuing to commit fraud.

Edit: missed a word

Re: Tether Says Stablecoin Is Only Backed 74% by Cash, Securities

#33
post #7

My bank only needs to keep 10% of its deposits backed by cash, securities. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_requirement#United_Sta...

You are misunderstanding fractional reserve banking. Fractional reserve banking means that the bank only has to keep enough cash on hand to meet their expected reasonable obligations. Banks still need their books to balance. That means that their liabilities can not exceed their assets. A bank can be solvent on paper but if there was a rush to withdraw by their customers, they may not be able to pay cash for all with…

Bankruptcy doesn’t mean assets Why does the market allow this? ... I have no clue but I would guess that money laundering fits into it somewhere.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are misunderstanding fractional reserve banking. Fractional reserve banking means that the bank only has to keep enough cash on hand to meet their expected reasonable obligations. Banks still need their books to balance. That means that their liabilities can not exceed their assets. A bank can be solvent on paper but if there was a rush to withdraw by their customers, they may not be able to pay cash for all with…

Bankruptcy doesn’t mean assets Why does the market allow this? ... I have no clue but I would guess that money laundering fits into it somewhere.

That’s not correct; Tether does nominally allow redeeming for USD, although only in bulk, and the service has opened and closed over time and generally been a mess AFAIK.

Re: Tether Says Stablecoin Is Only Backed 74% by Cash, Securities

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Bitfinex money was on an account of a small Polish bank. It was confiscated by a US government when they chased Colombian drug cartels earlier in 2018. There was no proper segregation of client funds by their payment processor Crypto Capital Corp. Looks like Tether was collateral damage. Polish source: https://zaufanatrzeciastrona.pl/post/gielda-bitfinex-zgubila... (please use Google translator)

Tether is alleged to have been far more deeply and willingly involved than just "collateral damage." Per the AG's statement: "Those transactions – which also have not been disclosed to investors – treat Tether’s cash reserves as Bitfinex’s corporate slush fund, and are being used to hide Bitfinex’s massive, undisclosed losses and inability to handle customer withdrawals."

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/attorney-general-james-annou...

The only reason to swap funds between those accounts would be if the parties knew that there was more risk than normal cash reserves for the money that Tether would end up having - and this was deemed by Tether operators to be an acceptable risk not worth disclosing. Not a shining beacon of cleanliness here.

Re: Tether Says Stablecoin Is Only Backed 74% by Cash, Securities

#38
post #7

My bank only needs to keep 10% of its deposits backed by cash, securities. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_requirement#United_Sta...

You are misunderstanding fractional reserve banking. Fractional reserve banking means that the bank only has to keep enough cash on hand to meet their expected reasonable obligations. Banks still need their books to balance. That means that their liabilities can not exceed their assets. A bank can be solvent on paper but if there was a rush to withdraw by their customers, they may not be able to pay cash for all with…

What you're missing is that Tether is not truly bankrupt yet. Yes, sane accounting would say their liabilities exceed their assets, but only because 26% of their assets are a high risk loan to Bitfinex. They still have assets > USDT supply. What makes the liabilities exceed the assets is the credit risk associated with the loan.

You can't undisputedly say Bitfinex won't be able to pay the loan. Maybe the frozen assets are real and will be unfrozen soon. Nobody knows. They aren't bankrupt yet, but in a very risky position of becoming so.

Another possibility is that you misread the article title, which seems kind of misleading. It says that only 74% of Tether is backed by cash or cash-equivalents. The loan to Bitfinex is neither, so it should be the remaining 26% (26% of $2.8B is $745M).

That being said, I agree with you on the Wiley Coyote point. Tether should be completely disreputable, not only because of it's risky situation, but because the whole move was completely shady. Silently changing the wording of the website, after assuring everyone that they had it 100% backed... I don't see how anyone can trust it anymore.

Re: Tether Says Stablecoin Is Only Backed 74% by Cash, Securities

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Yet the Tether price of BTC is only 6% below the USD price: http://www.untether.space/

Question -- why does this matter to me? As long as the market agrees to trade it for around 1.00 USD, +/- a few %, which seems to generally be happening, it shouldn't matter to me whether it's backed or not. It's just an abstract notion that the market has agreed to trade at a certain price. (It's not like I would hold onto USDT for a long time anyway -- it's only there to facilitate short-term needs. If I wanted to…

Because if there is a "run on the bank", someone will end up short. Either the first people out will get 100% of their money and last 26% will get zero, or everyone will get 74% of their money.

This very fact will actually cause a run on the bank in any sort of crisis. You don't need to actually believe that tether is a complete sham and has no money to decide to withdraw. You just need to worry that 74% of people might get worried. Because if they all withdraw, you will get none of your money.

The point of FDIC insurance (aka lender of last resort) is that when you hear that Wells Fargo is in trouble you don't worry about your checking account going to zero. This used to happen quite a bit as late as during the great depression in the early 1930s. Being 100% backed by liquid assets was supposed to serve that function, it's not a nice to have, it's the whole point.

Re: Tether Says Stablecoin Is Only Backed 74% by Cash, Securities

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post #39
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Question -- why does this matter to me? As long as the market agrees to trade it for around 1.00 USD, +/- a few %, which seems to generally be happening, it shouldn't matter to me whether it's backed or not. It's just an abstract notion that the market has agreed to trade at a certain price. (It's not like I would hold onto USDT for a long time anyway -- it's only there to facilitate short-term needs. If I wanted to…

Because if there is a "run on the bank", someone will end up short. Either the first people out will get 100% of their money and last 26% will get zero, or everyone will get 74% of their money. This very fact will actually cause a run on the bank in any sort of crisis. You don't need to actually believe that tether is a complete sham and has no money to decide to withdraw. You just need to worry that 74% of people mi…

Ironically, tether is pretty much immune from bank runs... because it's impossible to withdraw money at all.
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