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Re: Minecraft’s creator excluded from event over his ‘comments and opinions’

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Post by beart »

yters wrote: post #30
kevincrane wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternatively, we could not applaud racist assholes.

All I've found regarding notch's racist comments is this GQ article: https://www.gq.com/story/notch-whiteness-tweets I would probably not interpret his comments as racist, at least not in an obvious definition of the word. I've also read his twitter feed a fair amount, and have not spotted any clearly racist statements. I've also heard he is anti semitic, but haven't seen any citations. As for the links in the parent…

> Believing in conspiracy theories seems pretty innocuous.

Sorry - Aren't we in the middle of a measles outbreak (U.S.A)?

Re: Minecraft’s creator excluded from event over his ‘comments and opinions’

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Post by pwinnski »

99_00 wrote: post #23
belltaco wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying "Pizzagate is real" or that Q is legit isn't an opinion, it's making up false facts. And that statement has been used to push Pizzagate among the masses.

I haven't been following him and his comments. And I agree it's important to call out false statements. But believing in and promoting demonstratively false and damaging ideas is much more common than people realize. For example, many good people who are more important and educated than game developer falsely believe that President Trump said that white nationalists and neo-nazis are fine people.

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26...

Re: Minecraft’s creator excluded from event over his ‘comments and opinions’

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Post by jshaqaw »

mcphage wrote: post #54
_eht wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair- The Notch you are disliking is the same person he was __before__ the influx of Micro$oft cash. At very least, he's consistent.

I don't know if that's entirely true—I followed him on twitter for a period of time before and after the sale, and post-sale his tweets got more and more unpalatable. Perhaps you're right, and he didn't change at all, but at the very least the public persona that he expressed changed.

It gets dangerous when tons of the people around you are somehow seeking to feed off your wealth and thus you get very little negative feedback anywhere. Everyone says they hate yes men. In practice most people love yes men.

Re: Minecraft’s creator excluded from event over his ‘comments and opinions’

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Post by dang »

NatoStrut wrote: post #58
dang wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've banned you for primarily using HN for ideological flamewar, ignoring our requests to stop, and using multiple accounts to do it. Would you please not create accounts to break the site guidelines with? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You don't think you should be banning some of the racist, sexist, cunts infesting this (and many other) threads?

I do think! And we do. There is a lot of contention around which posts count as abusive vs. good-faith. Some people would like us simply to ban whoever they disagree with ideologically. Since these people disagree intensely among each other, it's impossible to satisfy all of them. In fact, even just to not intensely dissatisfy anybody is impossible. For that reason, intense dissatisfaction alone doesn't help us figure out how to do better; for that we need links and thoughtful reflections. "Racist, sexist, cunts infesting" doesn't quite get us there.

I need to address your breaking the site guidelines. If you continue to create accounts to do that, we will ban your main account as well.

Re: Minecraft’s creator excluded from event over his ‘comments and opinions’

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Post by kevincrane »

yters wrote: post #30
kevincrane wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternatively, we could not applaud racist assholes.

All I've found regarding notch's racist comments is this GQ article: https://www.gq.com/story/notch-whiteness-tweets I would probably not interpret his comments as racist, at least not in an obvious definition of the word. I've also read his twitter feed a fair amount, and have not spotted any clearly racist statements. I've also heard he is anti semitic, but haven't seen any citations. As for the links in the parent…

https://twitter.com/notch/status/22330335379333120

Re: Minecraft’s creator excluded from event over his ‘comments and opinions’

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Post by 99_00 »

pwinnski wrote: post #62
99_00 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't been following him and his comments. And I agree it's important to call out false statements. But believing in and promoting demonstratively false and damaging ideas is much more common than people realize. For example, many good people who are more important and educated than game developer falsely believe that President Trump said that white nationalists and neo-nazis are fine people.

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --" Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking do…

Does that prove something? I'm not sure what your point is.

Here is the rest of the exchange where Trump explicitly says he isn't talking about neo-nazis and white nationalists when he says 'fine people' and explicitly condemns neo-Nazis and white nationalists from the article you linked to.

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down -- excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?"

Reporter: "I do love Thomas Jefferson."

Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NEO-NAZIS AND THE WHITE NATIONALISTS -- BECAUSE THEY SHOULD BE CONDEMNED TOTALLY But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

Re: Minecraft’s creator excluded from event over his ‘comments and opinions’

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Post by mancerayder »

Notice Verge is quoting a politically-charged journal, called Roots, as proof of "problematic" language.[1]

I don't know. Microsoft can do what it wants, but as a society we need to consider doing two things:

A - Socially spurning all political language in non-political contexts.

  or
B - Being tolerant of all political language that isn't DIRECTLY hateful. Using the word "white" and just saying a contextless tweet "It's ok to be white" should not offend people, or if it does, it should be tolerated. OR, we can have a long discussion about it, and go back and forth and try to figure it out.

_A_ seems wise. But society chooses [edit] neither A nor B and we get into fights over it.

And if C, allowing some opinions but not others is the course of action, then we have a real problem. We're not going to "eliminate hate" by going option C: selection of opinions that are Correct and Not Correct. Because those in the "Not Correct" category will regroup in far worse ways - don't we learn from history?

[1] - Read this and judge for yourself. Please read their OTHER articles and tell me if you don't find evidence of hate. https://www.theroot.com/minecraft-creator-goes-full-white-pr...

Re: Minecraft’s creator excluded from event over his ‘comments and opinions’

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Post by yters »

kevincrane wrote: post #66
yters wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All I've found regarding notch's racist comments is this GQ article: https://www.gq.com/story/notch-whiteness-tweets I would probably not interpret his comments as racist, at least not in an obvious definition of the word. I've also read his twitter feed a fair amount, and have not spotted any clearly racist statements. I've also heard he is anti semitic, but haven't seen any citations. As for the links in the parent…

https://twitter.com/notch/status/22330335379333120

Alright, notch is a racist. Best case he was saying that for shock effect, and that's no excuse. So, I have to agree with Microsoft banning him from the anniversary, and it's too bad he's gone this way. I guess you can't judge a game by its developer.

Re: Minecraft’s creator excluded from event over his ‘comments and opinions’

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Post by mullen »

beart wrote: post #61
yters wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All I've found regarding notch's racist comments is this GQ article: https://www.gq.com/story/notch-whiteness-tweets I would probably not interpret his comments as racist, at least not in an obvious definition of the word. I've also read his twitter feed a fair amount, and have not spotted any clearly racist statements. I've also heard he is anti semitic, but haven't seen any citations. As for the links in the parent…

> Believing in conspiracy theories seems pretty innocuous. Sorry - Aren't we in the middle of a measles outbreak (U.S.A)?

Don't forget the guy who went to Pizza Restaurant and shot the gun into the ceiling because he said there were kid sex dungeons.
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