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Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by username223 »

dmitriid wrote: post #186
username223 wrote: post #183

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> Personally I would be hard pressed to bother contributing to a project not on GitHub at this point. Personally I find it a pain to deal with github-only projects. Why should I have to sign up to a social network for coders when I could just send a patch to the development mailing list? It's more depressing than surprising that Microsoft paid $7.5B for that.

Why should I have to sign up to potentially dozens of mailing lists to track the projects I’m interested in when I can track them all in ine place with that ne login?

You're tracking dozens of projects? Following every twist and turn of dozens of projects sounds like a huge time-suck, but maybe we just work differently. I follow a couple that interest me (via SMTP), check in on some others from time to time (via NNTP), and occasionally mail a patch when I fix a bug in something I would rather not follow. It's not that hard.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by ebg13 »

jordigh wrote: post #164
ebg13 wrote: post #145

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> basically there are other things that got ActivityPub before it and could replace it (Pixelfed, Mastodon, Write Freely). Nobody really wants to work on Mediagoblin now because the alternatives are pretty much all better. Uh, maybe, except that none of the things you list actually do anything close to the core promise of MediaGoblin. MediaGoblin was going to be the libre Flickr/YouTube replacer. Nothing focusing on…

Peertube for YouTube, Pixelfed for Flickr.

Except that pixelfed...

1) Is not even close to Flickr. It's way more like Instagram, which is an entirely different and unrelated thing.

2) Barely has docs. Everything just says "to do".

3) Doesn't even have a website! pixelfed.org just says "coming soon" since last year. It has 400 different language translations though, all telling you the same nothing.

How is that in any way superior?

Flickr lets you organize your photos and videos together. Peertube and Pixelfed don't do that. You keep suggesting one-off social sharing feed services, but those are entirely orthogonal to what Flickr and the now defunct MediaGoblin provide.

Your suggested replacements do entirely different things than what they're alleged to be replacing, and at least one of them doesn't even tell you how to run or use it.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by tracker1 »

microtonal wrote: post #146
colbyrussell wrote: post #139

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Buddy, the entire premise here is user "Monotonic" telling me that configuring remotes is unnecessary and that that in fact he or she just pushes to origin. Don't jump in to the middle of the conversation here and then tell me that I'm not following along after saying to me that, in fact, you configure your remotes to be able to push to them. I know that! That you have to configure your remotes and that you can't jus…

Buddy, the entire premise here is user "Monotonic" telling me that configuring remotes is unnecessary and that that in fact he or she just pushes to origin. They are referring to origin as the forked repository. E.g. if I contribute to nixpkgs (the NixOS package repository), I only have to fork it once, use that as my origin , and can create branches and submit PRs. So, you are both right. If you contribute many time…

On the drive-bys... create a YOURNAME-contrib organization, that you can fork to. I've started down this path which will help more as I get used to it.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by detaro »

jordigh wrote: post #164
ebg13 wrote: post #145

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> basically there are other things that got ActivityPub before it and could replace it (Pixelfed, Mastodon, Write Freely). Nobody really wants to work on Mediagoblin now because the alternatives are pretty much all better. Uh, maybe, except that none of the things you list actually do anything close to the core promise of MediaGoblin. MediaGoblin was going to be the libre Flickr/YouTube replacer. Nothing focusing on…

Peertube for YouTube, Pixelfed for Flickr.

About the only thing Pixelfed has in common with Flickr is "it's about images". It's useless for many of MediaGoblin's use cases (which is ok, because it wants to be something else)

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by dmitriid »

username223 wrote: post #191
dmitriid wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should I have to sign up to potentially dozens of mailing lists to track the projects I’m interested in when I can track them all in ine place with that ne login?

You're tracking dozens of projects? Following every twist and turn of dozens of projects sounds like a huge time-suck, but maybe we just work differently. I follow a couple that interest me (via SMTP), check in on some others from time to time (via NNTP), and occasionally mail a patch when I fix a bug in something I would rather not follow. It's not that hard.

So. A couple that interest you. Plus an irregular check on some others. And occasionally a patch.

So, three-five mailing lists. Vs. the convenience of a single login and actual conversations you can follow in issues/PRs. With a one-click PR request if I want to send a patch (that can be easily discussed, annotated, cross-linked to issues and other PRs).

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by hobofan »

neurotrace wrote: post #67
liveoneggs wrote: post #24

I hope projects will get rid of JIRA now!

I recently moved to a company that uses Jira. What kinds of problems should I be looking out for?

- It's kind of slow (page load/interaction wise) - There are ~5 different places where every setting could be and it's always the last one you look

Apart from that, for internal company use it's been one of my favourite PM tools I've worked with. For open source with open communities, it's just too much overhead to manage.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by diminoten »

colbyrussell wrote: post #182
diminoten wrote: post #174

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It's you backing off of a claim you clearly now know is nonsense once someone challenged you on it.

My phone number is listed on my home page. Please give me a call.

Why on God's green earth would I ever give you a call???

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by diminoten »

dllthomas wrote: post #188
diminoten wrote: post #152

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His stance is literally that using a GUI is harder. That isn't a consequence, it's his core position.

FWIW, I certainly didn't read his comment that way, and in light of his explicit denial that that's what he intended maybe you should reconsider whether there are alternate interpretations available.

Are you reading some of the other comment threads he's participating in? It seems like he's taking this whole thing very personally, and it's hard to pin down exactly what he's trying to say when he won't calm down.

He wants me to call him, as if escalating this will be worth it...

He didn't even answer your very reasonable question above. Don't you wonder why that is?

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by dmitriid »

username223 wrote: post #191
dmitriid wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should I have to sign up to potentially dozens of mailing lists to track the projects I’m interested in when I can track them all in ine place with that ne login?

You're tracking dozens of projects? Following every twist and turn of dozens of projects sounds like a huge time-suck, but maybe we just work differently. I follow a couple that interest me (via SMTP), check in on some others from time to time (via NNTP), and occasionally mail a patch when I fix a bug in something I would rather not follow. It's not that hard.

I forgot to answer this:

> You're tracking dozens of projects? Following every twist and turn of dozens of projects sounds like a huge time-suck, but maybe we just work differently.

The thing is, GitHub provides granular access. You can just star a project, and return to it when you want. You can follow a specific issue. You can follow every twist and turn of a project.

Depending on my current interest or area of research, I can deal with any number of active projects which I may "snooze" when I no longer need them (but will still get notifications on conversations/issues/PRs I'm involved in).

And to do all that I don't need to be a part of multiple mail lists with no control of what gets sent or muted.

I also have direct access to all the PRs and issues where I'm involved without needing to remember which mail list it was on. And without needing to discover those mailing lists in the first place (is it an -users mailing list? an -dev? an -development? an -contrib? an -patch? what are the rules? etc.)

Github is extremely convenient for a very large number of otherwise tedious tasks.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by anderspitman »

paroneayea wrote: post #74
jordigh wrote: post #40

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I'm kind of cynical about this sort of thing and I don't think the hosting really changes the quality of contributions. The amount, maybe, but you get a lot of crappy drive-bys that are about one particular but very enthusiastic person's pet peeves, which probably don't affect the wider userbase. The drive-bys require a lot of work to integrate for relatively little profit. Mediagoblin is dying not so much because it…

Hi jordigh! (Historically) lead developer and co-founder of MediaGoblin here (and ActivityPub spec co-author/editor, so I have more than a bit of insight/bias I think). You're not wrong. And neither is the parent post! MediaGoblin is in "unofficial retirement", but that's because we made progress unexpectedly in other ways, which is good , but not where we realized we were going. Allow me to lay out what happened and…

Would you consider copying this to a blog (or maybe the Mediagoblin website)? Seems like a lot of valuable background/history that I'd hate to see buried forever on HN.
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