Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Darling – macOS Translation Layer for Linux

darlinghq.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

101–110 of 176 posts

Re: Darling – macOS Translation Layer for Linux

#101

Post by Veen »

xondono wrote: post #99
patrec wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So, the appeal of Mac emulation is very limited, because it starts out with tinkering. There are countless of utilities for tinkering with you mac setup and the best and most tinker-y terminal for any platform is a mac-only app (iterm2). It's just that macOS starts out with a far high usability level without tinkering and comes with lots of basic stuff working that no amount of tinkering will ever give you with lin…

I would pay a decent amount just to get Omnifocus working on windows and linux machines.

Omni has just released a beta web app, which you will have to pay a decent amount for (it's a subscription service).

https://test.omnifocus.com

Re: Darling – macOS Translation Layer for Linux

#102

Post by AriaMinaei »

Sammi wrote: post #95
ncmncm wrote: post #73

The main attraction of Apple products is the certainty that, no matter what you do, they cannot be made to do what you would like. The consequence is that you feel no urge to spend time tinkering to get there, and instead adapt yourself to what it actually does. This reclaims all the time and attention that you would have spent on tinkering. Since what Apple products do has proven adequate for a large number of peopl…

This Apple "Upgrade" is an almost perfect example of real world Doublethink as George Orwells defined it in the novel 1984. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink

I also noted the Orwellian tone. We live in troubling times when the value of tinkering is lost to the tinkerers themselves.

Re: Darling – macOS Translation Layer for Linux

#103

Post by welly »

headsoup wrote: post #87
ncmncm wrote: post #73

The main attraction of Apple products is the certainty that, no matter what you do, they cannot be made to do what you would like. The consequence is that you feel no urge to spend time tinkering to get there, and instead adapt yourself to what it actually does. This reclaims all the time and attention that you would have spent on tinkering. Since what Apple products do has proven adequate for a large number of peopl…

I disagree entirely with that. I think Apple sold people the idea that what they provide is really cool and 'just works' and that you want to be in their 'ecosystem.' It worked, people bought the allure and then just stopped looking at other solutions because Apple said they don't need to. I think your post highlights exactly that: a buy-in to the brand so strong as to not even try and look elsewhere when issues aris…

Do you really believe that? That people are so incapable of independent thought that they will subservantly obey the wishes and demands of Apple?

Come on.

Re: Darling – macOS Translation Layer for Linux

#104

Post by welly »

welly wrote: post #103
headsoup wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree entirely with that. I think Apple sold people the idea that what they provide is really cool and 'just works' and that you want to be in their 'ecosystem.' It worked, people bought the allure and then just stopped looking at other solutions because Apple said they don't need to. I think your post highlights exactly that: a buy-in to the brand so strong as to not even try and look elsewhere when issues aris…

Do you really believe that? That people are so incapable of independent thought that they will subservantly obey the wishes and demands of Apple? Come on.

ps. I used to have an iPhone, now I have an Android phone.

Re: Darling – macOS Translation Layer for Linux

#105

Post by pluma »

ncmncm wrote: post #73

The main attraction of Apple products is the certainty that, no matter what you do, they cannot be made to do what you would like. The consequence is that you feel no urge to spend time tinkering to get there, and instead adapt yourself to what it actually does. This reclaims all the time and attention that you would have spent on tinkering. Since what Apple products do has proven adequate for a large number of peopl…

Considering how many developer-focussed apps were written for macOS first/only because of the massive adoption of macbooks by developers after the rise of iOS apps, this is an extremely narrow perspective.

The appeal of Darling isn't bringing macOS to Linux, the appeal is breaking down the walls put up by shortsighted developers who decided not to bother porting the apps they developed for macOS over to a different platform because "every developer I know uses macOS".

Linux users who would want something like Darling aren't aspiring to be macOS users, they are Linux users who want/need to use software written by macOS users who didn't put in the effort to port their software.

Re: Darling – macOS Translation Layer for Linux

#106

Post by pjmlp »

yoz-y wrote: post #96
vaylian wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for putting into words what I had suspected for so long. Apple is really good at identifying what the vast majority of people (aka normal users) want to do with their computer and then they optimize these workflows. But if you want to do something more exotic you are usually out of luck. Talking to Apple enthusiasts is really tough. It's almost as you are speaking a different language. Of course, in the end of…

Many Mac users come from Linux and Windows (of course there are migrations in other directions too), most developers on MacOS also use Linux daily. So I'd wager most of them understand what you mean, but disagree. Personally I like to tinker and personalise only a subset of tools I use to get things done (iTerm, tmux, vim...) and have good defaults on the rest.

Others, like myself, have done already enough tinkering during our university days and now rather focus on get stuff done.

Re: Darling – macOS Translation Layer for Linux

#107

Post by yacoob »

iLemming wrote: post #55

I really want something like Hammerspoon, but for Linux

Surely there's something equivalent...?

I've used Linux on desktop exclusively ~95-07. Switched to MacOS after that. Tried out mythical "Linux on the desktop" in 2018, was amused to find that iTerm2 has grown so much, and there's hard to find a good replacement for it under Linux. Of all the things I'd expect it to handle well... 8)

Re: Darling – macOS Translation Layer for Linux

#109

Post by VvR-Ox »

pjmlp wrote: post #106
yoz-y wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many Mac users come from Linux and Windows (of course there are migrations in other directions too), most developers on MacOS also use Linux daily. So I'd wager most of them understand what you mean, but disagree. Personally I like to tinker and personalise only a subset of tools I use to get things done (iTerm, tmux, vim...) and have good defaults on the rest.

Others, like myself, have done already enough tinkering during our university days and now rather focus on get stuff done.

Exactly. And you don't have to say this and sound arrogant.

Our lives, especially with that high work-load we still have to cope with, don't allow us to choose many things to do when not working.

If you have family with kids you loose every tiny bit of freedom to "waste your time" on tinkering and get easily annoyed when things just don't work out of the box.

I like the possibility to customize everything on linux but I also hate how the linux world can't provide the standardization and clarity I am used to from OSX.

How on earth is there still no terminal emulator like iTerm2 on linux????!

From linux I miss the possibility to customize everything on OSX. I hate it how Apple allways tries to lock me into it's golden cage and imposes it's way of thinking on me.

In 80% of times I can totally agree with the apple way but there is 20% when I could throw that MBP against the wall with full force.

Ok I didn't want to start some OSX vs. Linux debate here it's just an example to show the love-hate relationship to both.

It's great there is some effort put into connecting these worlds. The way our economy works is the reason we don't have the computers and OSes we really want to have and sadly only the open source world will change this.

Post reply on HN