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The answer to California's housing crisis is more housing

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Re: The answer to California's housing crisis is more housing

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If more housing was the answer then NYC would not have a housing problem. The answer is not more housing.

NYC offers a great deal -- it squeezes 5x the Bay Area housing stock into a tiny land area by building upwards. If anything, NYC doesnt do enough. Parts where the zoning allows 12stories (e.g., Brooklyn 4th Ave) should ideally be 24 stories or more. It is a heck of a lot more efficient to stack upwards rather than stack outwards. For those who want more space, you can go outwards, but for those who value shorter commutes, you can achieve that.

Re: The answer to California's housing crisis is more housing

#92
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It is. In my city at least. And at the federal level for landlords as well. My local taxes depend on my land value + my house value. Larger land, (or more desirable) more taxes. In federal taxes, for a rental unit, you get a depreciation expense only on the value of the structure. Not on the land. So more valuable land vs. structure, less federal discount.

> My local taxes depend on my land value + my house value Are they separate line items? Or combined? The difference matters. My condo is taxed based on the whole value of the unit- which is something like 1/2 of the cost of a house in the same neighbourhood, which means I'm taxed about 1/2 of what they are. But I use 1/100th the amount of land they use. Meanwhile, the cost to the city in terms of infrastructure (pipe…

I’ve owned property in Virginia and California and both the counties I lived in break out the assessed value of you land and your property as separate line items on your bill. They do NOT break your payment into multiple lines.

For example, my current home is assessed as $150k land value and $350k house value for a total of $500k.

Re: The answer to California's housing crisis is more housing

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> because developers mostly would build high-end units This is such a frustrating perspective.

Because the cost to create a unit makes them high end from the start. You have to add fire suppression systems, elevators, seismic reinforced construction and pay for the land. NPR had a segment on it, listing the costs to build a modern day high rise unit and it there is no way to build it for low-income housing and make a profit. Even if given the land, at most it is break-even. Low income would have to rely on hou…

Where has the middle gone? Is it either extreme luxury or low income assistance?

Re: The answer to California's housing crisis is more housing

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How does ownership of apartments work in California? In the UK, owning a flat is decidedly inferior to owning a house. In large blocks you will almost always have a leasehold, which almost always means being subject to a whole host of onerous conditions from the actual building's owner. Share of freehold arrangements exist in smaller properties like old converted houses. But that only increases density slightly, and…

the most common way is to own a condominium. You own your apartment and a share of the common spaces / common infrastructure. The common stuff is administered by a homeowners association (HOA) that you as an owner are a part of. you typically then have a mortgage for the loan against the apartment and HOA dues to cover things like maintenance and insurance.

Re: The answer to California's housing crisis is more housing

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How does ownership of apartments work in California? In the UK, owning a flat is decidedly inferior to owning a house. In large blocks you will almost always have a leasehold, which almost always means being subject to a whole host of onerous conditions from the actual building's owner. Share of freehold arrangements exist in smaller properties like old converted houses. But that only increases density slightly, and…

Maybe just a matter of semantics, but high-density housing in the U.S. is mostly comprised of "condos" and "apartments".

Condos are owned but must comply with homeowners association (HOA) rules on upkeep and maintenance.

Apartments are rented and maintained by Landlord.

Re: The answer to California's housing crisis is more housing

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> There should be incentives for companies to move away from places like SV and NY. There are already tons of incentives and tax breaks like this for companies. Just for a recent example, see Amazon HQ2. Companies also have the added incentive of lower labor costs. It's clearly not enough yet.

"Just for a recent example, see Amazon HQ2." That's a good example actually. It's hard to understand that NYC was offering subsidies to Amazon. NYC doesn't really need more people or more companies.

It's not a matter of need. If you get more companies there is more local demand for labor, which means more jobs and higher wages, which means more tax revenue. Giving a company that will bring in a billion dollars in new tax revenue half that much in incentives still nets you half a billion dollars.

The real issue is that this is true of everything. Cities compete with each other, but major metro hubs have such an intrinsic advantage that it allows them to suffer a large amount of corruption and waste and still not be uncompetitive. Until you're negotiating with a company large enough to bring with it its own economies of scale, and then it does make you uncompetitive, because Amazon could build HQ2 in the middle of the desert and a town would spring up around it regardless, in a way that a guy operating a food truck absolutely could not.

They don't actually want to do that because NYC still has its intrinsic advantages, but if it also has very high taxes which then go to waste and not toward providing useful services, the benefits have to be weighed against the costs. (And realistically there are also better alternatives like Virginia rather than literally the middle of the desert.)

Then the city becomes concerned that their high taxes and low efficiency are costing them Amazon so they come up with some kind of carve outs which they would need to keep Amazon but not the food truck or the real estate developer or doctor's office, and so it applies only to huge corporations and not to everybody else.

Which then creates an unfair advantage for major companies with that kind of leverage, and then they start eating everything and driving out small and medium businesses who can't compete when they're the only ones paying high taxes. And that's what makes people upset.

But you're never going to get Amazon if your offer is to tax them heavily and then waste the money. The way to be competitive on a level playing field is to cut out the waste in general so that nobody has to pay high taxes for low benefits.

Re: The answer to California's housing crisis is more housing

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And what will be the source of the water for additional California residents to subsist on? We just went through a 7-year drought, and they seem to be becoming more frequent and longer; never mind that climate change is making it all worse, as the snow-pack gets smaller and melts quicker.

We can cut agriculture and build more dams somewhere to buffer more snow melt, but these are politically difficult to pull off, and of course have other negative effects on various constituencies (including migrant workers, like the ones who used to pick the crops where Silicon Valley now sits).

Re: The answer to California's housing crisis is more housing

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I think there should be a national effort to "spread out" the economy and fight the trend towards centralization in a few areas. If you build more housing in CA, even more people will move there and the overcrowding will become even worse. There should be incentives for companies to move away from places like SV and NY. More acceptance of remote work would help too but I wouldn't hold my breath for it.

I am not sure some areas that are growing are ideal from a water usage perspective, but I thought density was very efficient and should be promoted.

Density creates land scarcity which in turns gives a lot of power to landlords who collect the lion's share or economic benefits created by density.

Density should come hand in hand with power-rebalancing measures, e.g. tax property hikes, more efficient zoning, and government-controlled rent, but practically it doesn't happen.

Re: The answer to California's housing crisis is more housing

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Cities are popular because they are relatively efficient. You can build more towns and suburbs but they will be underserved because of the many pipelines a state has to manage that cities will receive priority for — road maintenance, DMVs, shipping hubs. If you live in a town and need any of these, you might have to travel a long way just to get your needs met.

Yes, but we have 4,000 cities in the US, yet only something like 1 first class tech hub and two second class tech hubs. If we veer into market theory for a moment, it's better for everyone if there are many cities that are competitive places for technology companies.

Why is it better for everyone? I imagine we have the current hubs because with a more liquid job market it makes finding jobs and employees easier. It's probably also good for investment since having many potential acquirers nearby increases the chance of a positive exit.

I guess it's kind of an insurance against terrible (local) government policies if people move from city to city when one of them screws up. That doesn't sound like a terribly efficient system though.

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