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Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

olivermarks wrote: post #106
hi5eyes wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

revolutionizing the supply chain and auto industry

Walled garden revolution. Going to the breakers/wrecking yard for parts is akin to open source software. You are locking yourself into proprietary code, parts and pricing in this Tesla 'revolution'. A wing mirror costs $550 for example. Only authorized Tesla maintenance is permitted etc etc...

read the story of the guy with the bmw who tried to swap in a part from another one, and it wouldn't work unless the dealer programmed it to work with that new car's vehicle id. so he sold his car.

Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Post by brianpgordon »

azhenley wrote: post #3

They also announced on Twitter: "As a thank you to our Tesla owners, all existing Model S and Model X owners who wish to purchase a new Model S or Model X Performance car will get the Ludicrous Mode upgrade, a $20,000 value, at no additional charge" https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1120852649400623105

Also: "In addition to our Long Range and Performance variants, we’re also re-introducing a lower entry price for Model S and Model X by bringing back our Standard Range option, now available for an even greater value with the new drivetrain and suspension updates."

They just can't leave their pricing structure alone. How does Tesla management not appreciate how unnecessarily confusing this is for consumers?

Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

alasdair_ wrote: post #138
azhenley wrote: post #3

They also announced on Twitter: "As a thank you to our Tesla owners, all existing Model S and Model X owners who wish to purchase a new Model S or Model X Performance car will get the Ludicrous Mode upgrade, a $20,000 value, at no additional charge" https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1120852649400623105

> Ludicrous Mode upgrade, a $20,000 value I have a P85D. When Ludicrous Mode was announced, they offered it for $5000 as an upgrade. I have no idea why it now supposedly costs $20,000. Source: https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-drops-price-of-p85d-ludicrou...

i think it costs more because they need the money more now. they've got a lot going on, lots of new vehicles in development and not many models or sales to amortize it over.

Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

mdorazio wrote: post #26
zaroth wrote: post #18

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Came here to post this exact excerpt. That’s a heck of a customer loyalty bonus, even if the margin on that particular SKU is itself quite ludicrous!

Alternative view: they’re desperate to get more high margin model S and X sales because owners are keeping their existing models too long.

it's both things! a great loyalty thing and they had greatly reduced sales of the more profitable model s because the 3 is so freaking awesome

Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Post by dmode »

Cyclone_ wrote: post #56
leesec wrote: post #45

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Rivian has yet to make a single Truck. It is vaporware until they have more than just numbers.

Are Tesla owners really this sensitive? I mean they do have prototypes out there, it's not like they're making up what the mileage is, they clearly have demoed that it works, it's just about producing the vehicles now.

Faraday Future had a concept car also

Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

viburnum wrote: post #61

Tesla’s cars are not especially energy efficient: https://cleantechnica.com/2018/06/30/what-are-the-most-effic...

The model X tesla before this upgrade was much more efficient than the latest tesla killers from europe. This article [1] showed the audi e-tron is 23% less efficient than a model x (the family truckster huge suv tesla), and the i-pace is 26% less efficient. That is before the 10% performance. Tesla has excellent efficiency, much better than these german cars.

The hundai is also a great, efficient car too. 1. https://electrek.co/2019/02/21/tesla-efficiency-range-test-a...

Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Post by nevi-me »

axaxs wrote: post #122
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #64

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Gee, I hope they have some kind of system to track that. Maybe software even?

You jest, but years ago I worked for one of the largest auto parts places. You have no idea how many times you'd input year, make, model, and trim, just to be presented with multiple choice questions. Nobody knew how big their drums were, in inches, or the number of blades on their fan, the length of their belts, etc. Apparently a lot of mixing and matching happens. Some folks legitimately had to give us a prior year…

The dealerships use VIN numbers, which end up getting you the exact part you want, even if the same car model of the same year has different parts. I suppose some of the retailers don't have this privilege.

Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

rootusrootus wrote: post #58
wil421 wrote: post #47

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I always thought one of the big 3 US or German companies were betting on Tesla to fail. Once they failed they’d scoop up their tech at a discount. After the Model S’s success I think they all realized they need to play catch up. Meanwhile Japan is still going down the Hydrogen path...

I wonder what tech they'd scoop up. GM already has supercruise, and Cruise. And they released an EV back in 1996. Seems probable that their stance on EVs today is entirely by choice.

battery efficiency, drivetrain efficiency, making cars cheaper, updating software live in the field reliably. 0 to 60 speed, battery lifetime without degredation, almost worldwide charging network, supercharging without degredation, billions of miles to train your self-driving. advanced ui. summon mode.

so basically there's no value there.

don't forget about ~30% more efficient now than the vaunted e-tron and even more efficient than the terrible i-pace.

Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Post by teej »

brianpgordon wrote: post #142
azhenley wrote: post #3

They also announced on Twitter: "As a thank you to our Tesla owners, all existing Model S and Model X owners who wish to purchase a new Model S or Model X Performance car will get the Ludicrous Mode upgrade, a $20,000 value, at no additional charge" https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1120852649400623105

Also: "In addition to our Long Range and Performance variants, we’re also re-introducing a lower entry price for Model S and Model X by bringing back our Standard Range option, now available for an even greater value with the new drivetrain and suspension updates." They just can't leave their pricing structure alone. How does Tesla management not appreciate how unnecessarily confusing this is for consumers?

You go on the website, click a couple boxes, and it tells you a price. You pay what you see on the website. How is that more confusing than a regular dealership?

Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

mikeash wrote: post #87
7e wrote: post #42

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No, it runs only on hydrogen (to EV direct drive). https://m.hyundaiusa.com/nexo/ . Zero emissions, refuels in five minutes at one of California's 40 stations. Soon all hydrogen production will be renewable from solar and wind electrolysis. Exciting times.

How much does that fill up cost? That, and the relative scarcity of filling stations, seem to make hydrogen vehicles supremely unattractive.

it's not like there's no hydrogen stations. :-) i mean there are 2 in california, and then i think no more on the west coast.
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