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Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Post by clouddrover »

> Model S and Model X are now capable of achieving 200 kW on V3 Superchargers and 145 kW on V2 Superchargers. Together, these improvements enable our customers to recharge their miles 50% faster.

What does that mean exactly? I'm sure there are sections of the charge curve where it is 50% faster, but you need to consider the entire charge curve to get a better sense of the improvement.

The Tesla Model 3's charge times were improved by the combination of battery preconditioning and the faster V3 Supercharger. A charge that used to take 60 minutes can now be done in 40 minutes:

https://electrek.co/2019/03/07/tesla-v3-supercharger-action-...

I'd call that 33% faster charging. So is the Model S and Model X charge time improvement across the entire charge curve or just sections of it?

Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Post by 7e »

tgtweak wrote: post #38
7e wrote: post #37

The longest range electric vehicle, at 380 miles EPA, remains Hyundai's fuel cell SUV.

Technically it's a hybrid. Just not an internal combustion hybrid.

No, it runs only on hydrogen (to EV direct drive). https://m.hyundaiusa.com/nexo/. Zero emissions, refuels in five minutes at one of California's 40 stations. Soon all hydrogen production will be renewable from solar and wind electrolysis. Exciting times.

Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Post by maxerickson »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #23
mdorazio wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is great until you want to do repairs or maintenance yourself or via lower cost aftermarket. It’s essentially locking you into the OEM service model.

Correct. This is a choice you make as a Tesla customer (disclaimer: I have made this choice). I understand Tesla's position (brand protection, workload reduction), but also support Right To Repair; I don't have a solution I can offer in this instance. My hope is that Right to Repair legislation and Tesla's profitability intersect at some point in the future, where allowing aftermarket work is more palatable to Tesla…

Right to repair isn't just about J. Schmoe in their garage though. You also have to consider other shops that are well qualified to do the repairs.

Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Post by toomuchtodo »

maxerickson wrote: post #43
toomuchtodo wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct. This is a choice you make as a Tesla customer (disclaimer: I have made this choice). I understand Tesla's position (brand protection, workload reduction), but also support Right To Repair; I don't have a solution I can offer in this instance. My hope is that Right to Repair legislation and Tesla's profitability intersect at some point in the future, where allowing aftermarket work is more palatable to Tesla…

Right to repair isn't just about J. Schmoe in their garage though. You also have to consider other shops that are well qualified to do the repairs.

I've also been in "professional" shops where the qualification is questionable, but I understand your argument. There are Tesla Certified body shops; we'll see how the workload shakes out between those facilities and Tesla Service centers. Tesla recently updated their service intervals for all vehicle models due to fleet data showing less service was required than previously indicated [1]. How many times have you seen an automaker do that?

[1] https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-car-maintenance-plan-service... (Tesla’s vehicle reliability makes way for as-needed service, no annual maintenance needed)

Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Post by leesec »

Cyclone_ wrote: post #33

Those are great numbers, I'm really looking forward to the rivian though. It will have 410 miles for the SUV https://www.autonews.com/article/20181127/OEM04/181129763/ri...

Rivian has yet to make a single Truck. It is vaporware until they have more than just numbers.

Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Post by toomuchtodo »

clouddrover wrote: post #41

> Model S and Model X are now capable of achieving 200 kW on V3 Superchargers and 145 kW on V2 Superchargers. Together, these improvements enable our customers to recharge their miles 50% faster. What does that mean exactly? I'm sure there are sections of the charge curve where it is 50% faster, but you need to consider the entire charge curve to get a better sense of the improvement. The Tesla Model 3's charge times…

Charge times are improved at deep to moderate discharge states. Little improvement (but not necessary for charge times expressed to be realized) at 80-100% SOC (state of charge).

EDIT: @clouddrover You asked "So is the Model S and Model X charge time improvement across the entire charge curve or just sections of it?" I provided a response to that question. Sorry if you thought I was restating what you already said, that was not my intent. Please excuse my exuberance, this is one of my few passions (rapid electrification of transportation).

Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

#47

Post by wil421 »

gibolt wrote: post #27

It has been 7 years since initial release. Super excited that it got an update, right when competitors are somewhat catching up. Only took them that long to almost compete.

I always thought one of the big 3 US or German companies were betting on Tesla to fail. Once they failed they’d scoop up their tech at a discount. After the Model S’s success I think they all realized they need to play catch up.

Meanwhile Japan is still going down the Hydrogen path...

Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Post by secabeen »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #34
Someone1234 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slight tangent but what are you getting for $20K? Is it a software feature, or is there physical difference between the normal performance and "Ludicrous" model?

There is a smart fuse composed of an inconel alloy that is pyro-actuated to protect from overcurrent conditions when performing a Ludicrous launch (~1500 amp peak current drawn). It's not software only. Very fancy circuit breaker.

Do we know if that's needed with the new drivetrain?

Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries

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Post by maxerickson »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #44
maxerickson wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right to repair isn't just about J. Schmoe in their garage though. You also have to consider other shops that are well qualified to do the repairs.

I've also been in "professional" shops where the qualification is questionable, but I understand your argument. There are Tesla Certified body shops; we'll see how the workload shakes out between those facilities and Tesla Service centers. Tesla recently updated their service intervals for all vehicle models due to fleet data showing less service was required than previously indicated [1]. How many times have you see…

Of course shops that aren't qualified wouldn't be included in the category of shops that are qualified. That's tautological. Doesn't matter if they are "professional" or just plain old professional.
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