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JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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Post by [deleted] »

hyeonwho4 wrote: post #34
martin_ wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, how do you activate that flow? I landed at SFO last night and it prompted for me to insert my passport before it'd scan my face / take finger prints

Global Entry is a TSA program you can apply for. The TSA charges a fee of 100 USD and runs an in person interview. Edit: those under investigation, warrants, or charged with crimes are not elligible. Neither are those with passports from outside major US allies (India Colombia UK Germany Panama Singapore Korea Switzerland Taiwan Mexico Canada)

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Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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Post by tjohns »

ryanthedev wrote: post #26
ryanthedev wrote: post #24

This is how it works. Airline takes multiple photos of you. Sends those photos along with flight context data. Over secure lines. To Homeland. They match photo to passport and passport info to flight manifest. All outside of the airlines infrastructure. Or at least should be.

If not passport could be drivers license. Or state id. Which would make sense because they don't allow certain state IDs to fly anymore. Everybody had to update.

These are the CBP "Biometric Exit" kisoks, which are only for international flights. Which means everybody on those flights will have a passport.

Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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Post by daveFNbuck »

thoughtfunction wrote: post #36
mch82 wrote: post #16

How much longer will we allow our freedoms to be eroded? People were flying without any photo ID until just a few years ago (except internationally). We’ve given up so much freedom & so much of what made air travel fun in exchange for so little. We need to stop letting people scare us into giving away our freedoms.

For many years, I remember needed a piece of photo id with my ticket to get through TSA security checkpoints. What were you able to do instead? Just give a ticket?

The TSA has only been around since November 2001. Before that, there were no TSA security checkpoints to get through. There was a security line, but no one cared who you were when you went through it.

Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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Post by PietdeVries »

alkonaut wrote: post #38

If a private company says they'll take a picture of me at checkin and then verify that at boarding vs the same picture - then destroy the picture, I'm fine with that. It's a temporary storage of biometric data. I'm especially fine with it if I can opt to go for a paper passport instead. BUT If a private company uses some database, especially a centralized/government database, to do the same task - then it's absolutel…

Is the issue with the private company, or with the centralized/government instead? Suppose I start my own little company - at least on paper - can I submit a request to access this face-recognization database as well?

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Post by rdiddly »

djcapelis wrote: post #40
thoughtfunction wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For many years, I remember needed a piece of photo id with my ticket to get through TSA security checkpoints. What were you able to do instead? Just give a ticket?

You didn't even need that, you just walked through some metal detectors and you could hang out near the gate and greet your loved ones coming off the plane. You didn't need a ticket. You didn't need ID. You didn't even need an intent to fly.

But don't you remember the constant steady stream of daily terrorist attacks? [eyeroll]

Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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Post by joe_the_user »

I'd be as worried about false positives and false negatives as I would be about losing privacy - and I would certainly be worried about that.

Of course, the security of actual boarding passes seems extremely flimsy compared to the rest of airport security. The airlines could just take a picture and do no more verification at all, and wind-up with current security.

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Post by jacquesm »

daveFNbuck wrote: post #44
thoughtfunction wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For many years, I remember needed a piece of photo id with my ticket to get through TSA security checkpoints. What were you able to do instead? Just give a ticket?

The TSA has only been around since November 2001. Before that, there were no TSA security checkpoints to get through. There was a security line, but no one cared who you were when you went through it.

Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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Post by kelnos »

Scea91 wrote: post #9
ahelwer wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should be very concerned, because this is obviously testing the waters before rolling out ubiquitous facial recognition. I honestly and earnestly believe that use of facial recognition technology should be banned in all its forms. The applications are limited and the downsides are massive.

In this particular case, the application of facial recognition improves airport security (against forged passports, sloppy security personnel, ...) while not probably requiring any additional information than what would already be provided by passports with biometric data. In my opinion, this is one of the few applications where it actually makes sense.

You need to first ask if you're protecting against a threat that actually exists and is material. Is that the case? Do we see rampant use of forged ID to get onto planes? Do we see sloppy security personnel letting people through who shouldn't be allowed? I just don't see the evidence that this isn't a solution searching for a problem.

Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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Post by 6nf »

joe_the_user wrote: post #47

I'd be as worried about false positives and false negatives as I would be about losing privacy - and I would certainly be worried about that. Of course, the security of actual boarding passes seems extremely flimsy compared to the rest of airport security. The airlines could just take a picture and do no more verification at all, and wind-up with current security.

False positives is not a big deal, if two people check in under the same name it's easy to manually figure it out
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