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JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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How much longer will we allow our freedoms to be eroded? People were flying without any photo ID until just a few years ago (except internationally). We’ve given up so much freedom & so much of what made air travel fun in exchange for so little. We need to stop letting people scare us into giving away our freedoms.

> We’ve given up so much freedom

Arguably it's merely been taken from us. There are plenty of who object, and the TSA is wildly unpopular. That makes little difference to the fact that the pace continues ever further. I don't mean to be defeatist, but I don't think a sternly worded letter has ever made much of a difference, and probably won't in the future.

The only caveat is that when REAL ID takes effect and entire states full of people (e.g. Arizona) simply cannot fly, maybe enough complaints will be generated to come to some compromise. I'm not holding my breath, though.

Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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Ha. Seen your average US airport lately? Most look like a scene from the third world. Underfunded, dilapidated facilities coupled with cheapskate US carriers. Good luck with that.

This doesn't seem like it has anything to do with the technology discussed... and what is your comparison country? Which US airports have you been too?

Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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Top comments suggest that the (U.S.) government certainly does this anway.

Well guess what, now private global for-profit entities will trade databases with higher granularity and quality, around the world, in the most promiscuous ways imaginable.

Ever seen pricing for mailing list leads, password databases, user id and home address mappings? Now add IMEI/GSM cellular identifiers. Now add location.

Now add your face.

All in commercial for-profit packages. Which includes private armies, investigators, credit ratings, and governments in other countries that choose to buy it up.

And oh yeah, airlines certainly do business across borders.

So think about this for a minute, before you say "big deal."

Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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This is how it works. Airline takes multiple photos of you. Sends those photos along with flight context data. Over secure lines. To Homeland. They match photo to passport and passport info to flight manifest. All outside of the airlines infrastructure. Or at least should be.

Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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So how does this work for international travelers? Presumably the US government does not have the entire world's passport photos? Or do they...? Pretty worrying if so ... time for some GDPR requests maybe ...

I think at Gatwick in the UK they have a similar system where they take a photo of you as you enter security and it is then checked again at the gate. It does not work well if you are wearing glasses.

I wonder if some certain styles of eye wear would make facial recognition significantly ineffective? Highly unsymmetrical with lenses opaque to IR etc.

Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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This is how it works. Airline takes multiple photos of you. Sends those photos along with flight context data. Over secure lines. To Homeland. They match photo to passport and passport info to flight manifest. All outside of the airlines infrastructure. Or at least should be.

If not passport could be drivers license. Or state id. Which would make sense because they don't allow certain state IDs to fly anymore. Everybody had to update.

Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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post #16

How much longer will we allow our freedoms to be eroded? People were flying without any photo ID until just a few years ago (except internationally). We’ve given up so much freedom & so much of what made air travel fun in exchange for so little. We need to stop letting people scare us into giving away our freedoms.

>We need to stop letting people scare us into giving away our freedoms.

It doesn't seem all that scary if everyone's doing it. Just look at the use of facial recognition in the movie Coco. They could have made up any magic to stop Hector from leaving, but Disney decided to teach kids that having your faced scanned when going through security is totally normal.

https://youtu.be/t9Dn4YrJGak?t=92

Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should be very concerned, because this is obviously testing the waters before rolling out ubiquitous facial recognition. I honestly and earnestly believe that use of facial recognition technology should be banned in all its forms. The applications are limited and the downsides are massive.

Could you please elaborate on the downsides? Gov't has your data since you were born, complete with your photos, IDs, you name it. What makes you think it's any different now?

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Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For anyone without a private jet maybe. Does anyone seriously think the FAANG corporate boards will ever in their lives have to undergo this? If the feds wish to be paparazzi, then we should all give them something to really behold.

> Does anyone seriously think the FAANG corporate boards will ever in their lives have to undergo this? Yes, me. All of them will already be used to being hounded by paparazzi, and it would be very human for them to mistake that for normal. Two of them (Facebook and Apple) already use face recognition in their products.

That is incredibly naive. Wealth is the only thing that guarantees anonymity.

Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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post #16

How much longer will we allow our freedoms to be eroded? People were flying without any photo ID until just a few years ago (except internationally). We’ve given up so much freedom & so much of what made air travel fun in exchange for so little. We need to stop letting people scare us into giving away our freedoms.

People in the west need to get over their phobia of violence. Until there is mass destruction of property (security cameras), or riots, or violence against politicians, nothing is going to change. Maybe I just have less faith in the system than other people, but I believe that any system will be successfully gamed after a certain number of years and that's what we have on our hands. I have very little faith in the ability of our system to solve the problems it created itself.
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