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JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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Post by ben_w »

nilskidoo wrote: post #4
jypepin wrote: post #2

This sounds pretty insane indeed. How much should we be concerned about that? The gvt already has our image data, and knows our moves anyway right? Even without facial recognition, IDs and passports are asked when you travel, so the documentation of your travels already exists I assume?

For anyone without a private jet maybe. Does anyone seriously think the FAANG corporate boards will ever in their lives have to undergo this? If the feds wish to be paparazzi, then we should all give them something to really behold.

> Does anyone seriously think the FAANG corporate boards will ever in their lives have to undergo this?

Yes, me. All of them will already be used to being hounded by paparazzi, and it would be very human for them to mistake that for normal. Two of them (Facebook and Apple) already use face recognition in their products.

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Post by outside1234 »

Presumably the government already has a list of people flying - do they really need your photo to do a scan against a list of warrants for your arrest? And do we not want them scanning that list against folks with a warrant for their arrest?

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Post by Xylakant »

cocochanel wrote: post #7
ahelwer wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should be very concerned, because this is obviously testing the waters before rolling out ubiquitous facial recognition. I honestly and earnestly believe that use of facial recognition technology should be banned in all its forms. The applications are limited and the downsides are massive.

Could you please elaborate on the downsides? Gov't has your data since you were born, complete with your photos, IDs, you name it. What makes you think it's any different now?

Your government has your data, but this scheme would require that it gets mine, too.

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Post by ben_w »

purplezooey wrote: post #8

Ha. Seen your average US airport lately? Most look like a scene from the third world. Underfunded, dilapidated facilities coupled with cheapskate US carriers. Good luck with that.

Neither SFO nor JFK airport were as remotely dilapidated as Nairobi airport when I saw them.

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Post by mch82 »

How much longer will we allow our freedoms to be eroded?

People were flying without any photo ID until just a few years ago (except internationally). We’ve given up so much freedom & so much of what made air travel fun in exchange for so little.

We need to stop letting people scare us into giving away our freedoms.

Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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Post by tdeck »

oceliker wrote: post #5

I think this is being blown a bit out of proportion. The government definitely has your passport photo in a database. And since this facial recognition is happening only at boarding gates of international flights, it’s totally plausible that CBP has an isolated system, where Jetblue operates the device but doesn’t get any of the data.

But this is a great way to test and refine facial recognition to make it ubiquitous, which has serious implications for the government's ability to track everyone cheaply and with little recourse.

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Post by martin_ »

tommoor wrote: post #13

Last time I came into SFO through Global Entry there was no passport scan needed, just a quick look in the camera and it printed my receipt to enter the country. I've often thought that border control has the best time lapse of me aging

Interesting, how do you activate that flow? I landed at SFO last night and it prompted for me to insert my passport before it'd scan my face / take finger prints

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Post by oceliker »

tdeck wrote: post #17
oceliker wrote: post #5

I think this is being blown a bit out of proportion. The government definitely has your passport photo in a database. And since this facial recognition is happening only at boarding gates of international flights, it’s totally plausible that CBP has an isolated system, where Jetblue operates the device but doesn’t get any of the data.

But this is a great way to test and refine facial recognition to make it ubiquitous, which has serious implications for the government's ability to track everyone cheaply and with little recourse.

I don’t think it provides a great way of testing and refining. The pictures are taken at a very controlled environment in this case; it doesn’t really generalize to CCTV. I don’t disagree with the argument regarding “normalizing” facial recognition in everyday life, though.

Re: JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

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Post by 0x8BADF00D »

mch82 wrote: post #16

How much longer will we allow our freedoms to be eroded? People were flying without any photo ID until just a few years ago (except internationally). We’ve given up so much freedom & so much of what made air travel fun in exchange for so little. We need to stop letting people scare us into giving away our freedoms.

It’s security theatre at best; this technology will be used to monetize your biometric data, and you won’t get a single penny. Combine this with a social credit score system, and you will have a surveillance apparatus that is effectively unchecked.
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