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Amazon Quits China Market

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Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by eastendguy »

mtw wrote: post #133
manigandham wrote: post #124

This has nothing to do with communications or product development. China will not let a non-Chinese company ever gain top position in any sector. That's how the government works. And yes the article is bullshit because this same government won't allow any negative press about their actions either. These Pandaily journalists will have a very hard time if they actually wrote about the real environment there.

> China will not let a non-Chinese company ever gain top position in any sector. I don't know about this. Starbucks, McDonalds, KFC, Boeing, Apple and many others are ahead of their Chinese peers in China. It sounds like you're just using a blanket statement from reading various online articles without even how it's out there.

Starbucks, McDonalds, KFC = unimportant. The world's best food is Chinese food anyway. China won this "war" hundreds of year ago

Boeing = no chinese competitor available

Apple = is feeling the pressure now

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Post by seemuch »

manigandham wrote: post #124

This has nothing to do with communications or product development. China will not let a non-Chinese company ever gain top position in any sector. That's how the government works. And yes the article is bullshit because this same government won't allow any negative press about their actions either. These Pandaily journalists will have a very hard time if they actually wrote about the real environment there.

I cannot believe this is the top comment. What you say is totally anecdotal. Do you have any evidence that Chinese government went out stopping Amazon from succeeding in China?

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by munk-a »

xvector wrote: post #140
Leary wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"This has nothing to do with communications or product development. " And yet the users in this thread have repeatedly said that there are major product differences between Amazon and its Chinese competitors, where the alternatives offer much better value propositions to their customers. In addition, Amazon is having trouble in many countries other than China.

> there are major product differences between Amazon and its Chinese competitors, Because the Chinese counterparts are government propped.

Honestly, what? The US props up US corporations all the time... didn't Amazon just pay -$129M (as in, received free money) in taxes to the US government?

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Post by adinobro »

product50 wrote: post #99
PakG1 wrote: post #92

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I don't think it's logical for them to have local stock. That would require a HUGE capital investment to build up infrastructure and distribution points to go head to head with the locals. I bet Amazon's CFO looks at that and then tells Bezos, "Hey, these numbers are completely irrational, let's spend the money elsewhere where we'll have a better return on investment, please."

Yeah - and Jeff seems to be the type of guy who is like, you are right CFO. We are here for the short term - let us do what you are saying?! China is the biggest eComm market in the world! If there was an opportunity for Amazon to penetrate (regulations being the biggest challenge), Amazon would have totally gone for it. This is a company why, 5 yrs back, committed $5B to India when eComm there was/still is totally b…

This was already standard in China at least 7 years ago.

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by seemuch »

product50 wrote: post #32

Amazon has literally won everywhere else in the world. But in China they were slow at execution? Does this read right to you? Or maybe there is a regulatory angle which no one is talking about because...China.

That is hardly a convincing evidence. The IT industry in China is the only one in the world that is comparable with that in US. In a lot of areas, it is even better than US. I think online shopping can be counted as one of the areas. No other counties is capable of providing the level of competition as the Chinrse market does. Be responsible to your own loss, please. That’s what grownups do.

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Post by robryan »

paganel wrote: post #54
product50 wrote: post #51

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Dude do some research. They are winning or close to winning in India, South East Asia, Western Europe, Australia, US, Dubai etc.

I'm really surprised about India, that's news to me, I knew about the US and Western Europe situation but that doesn't equate to the rest of the whole world, as I was saying. I have to say that I'm a little skeptical about your claim of them dominating SE Asia, as a quick search drove me to this article from September 2018 [1] where it says that they're about to enter the market in Indonesia (which dwarfs Australia i…

SEA seems like a terrible place to run an e-commerce marketplace. A bunch of competition that seems pretty content to run at a loss to try and build market share.

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by cheeze »

philsnow wrote: post #125
contingencies wrote: post #26

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Never used z.cn but saw a few neighbours ordering from them in Shenzhen. Probably recent tech books in English I guess. I did try AWS in China and it was absolutely shocking . Clearly they never prioritized China and the inevitable happened. I run a business in China, it's not easy but it's interesting.

In amazonaws.cn there's no KMS and they only gave the ability to use virtual MFA devices at the end of 2017 [0] All of this is to say nothing of the additional restrictions imposed by the government -- I agree with contingencies that it's "not easy" to run a business in (AWS) China, but I think that at this point everybody who's seriously thinking about doing so knows what to expect. [0] https://www.amazonaws.cn/en/n…

They offer KMS literally every region except China. No point in running a security/encryption service in China when they're just going to steal the keys.

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Post by robryan »

sjwright wrote: post #61
paganel wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really surprised about India, that's news to me, I knew about the US and Western Europe situation but that doesn't equate to the rest of the whole world, as I was saying. I have to say that I'm a little skeptical about your claim of them dominating SE Asia, as a quick search drove me to this article from September 2018 [1] where it says that they're about to enter the market in Indonesia (which dwarfs Australia i…

As an Australian I can confirm that Amazon launching here was a hotly anticipated disappointment. Amazon US is (was) far more popular in Australia than Amazon AU is now, for many reasons including price and breadth of product. In order to force use of the AU site they blocked sales from the US site to Australian customers, which caused endless irritation and frustration.

Their excuse for the block was the new GST laws but they have removed that now so the US site can be used.

It seems that the relatively quiet launch and slow growth has been intentional. As long as Amazon maintains a decent level of investment here I think they will continue to grow and possibly eventually be dominant.

Only recently have they ramped up advertising and started putting their listings onto Google Shopping.

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Post by nottorp »

paganel wrote: post #45
product50 wrote: post #32

Amazon has literally won everywhere else in the world. But in China they were slow at execution? Does this read right to you? Or maybe there is a regulatory angle which no one is talking about because...China.

> Amazon has literally won everywhere else in the world I've mentioned it in another comment, too, but Amazon is not present in my Eastern European country (Romania), where Alibaba beats them by a large margin (even though they're also not officially launched here). I've just done a quick search and it seems Amazon is not winning it in Russia either, nor in Ukraine, to say nothing of India. As such, to say that they…

In Romania there's also the local emag, who's doing a pretty good job at filling Amazon's shoes and has been here forever. The Chinese competition is relatively new.

There are rumors Amazon will open officially soon, but they'll have a hard time if you ask me.

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