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Tesla Live Stream – Autonomy Day [video]

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Re: Tesla Live Stream – Autonomy Day [video]

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Tesla: "We have a global network of cameras that can be queried to find anything on or near roads and send back photos of it." Every law enforcement entity on the planet: drool

It was pointed out that All data is anonymized.

That's fine. I don't care who's driving the car carrying the camera. I care about what the camera can see. If you've ever been sent an Amber alert for a local child abduction it often comes with a description of the car that the suspect is driving. If I'm in law enforcement I'd much rather get an emergency warrant to ask Tesla to query the network to find that kind of car in a given geographic area.

Re: Tesla Live Stream – Autonomy Day [video]

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Interesting pieces: - First principles hardware design of focused self driving computer (many times better than any competing existing hardware). Already shipping in all newly produced cars. Currently working on next gen that will be 3x better to ship in a couple years. - Lidar is an unnecessary mistake that competitors are making that won't succeed (too expensive, need too many, unnecessary). - Real world fleet test…

"many times better than competitors"

"next gen that will be 3x better to ship in a couple years"

applying psudomathematical varnish to marketing-speak

Re: Tesla Live Stream – Autonomy Day [video]

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The thing I don't get about Tesla is why they keep heaping more on their plate rather than just (for large values of just) re-doing the motive power bit. That alone is a massive challenge and it is not something they've licked at economies of scale that allow a $10K vehicle to be brought to market, which is what it will take to really make this a success. Every extra they tack on to the base product is one they will…

> The thing I don't get about Tesla is why they keep heaping more on their plate... Musk's ego plays a lot into this for better or worse.

Two words: Vertical Integration.

Apple's work on developing their own SOC (A13) have paid dividends for them. The same legendary chip designer (Jim Keller) designed the new Tesla chip after working for Apple.

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I really really don't want Tesla to die. I think it's an important company for a sustainable future. Failures in autonomous driving could easily turn into the straw that breaks the camels back. If you call something "autopilot" and promote it as if it will drive for you and then it ends up killing dozens of people ... that's where successful class actions come from. (I obviously don't want people to die either.)

And I don't want them to succeed because they are actively hostile towards 3rd party repairs and car modifications, plus their current model 3 microtransaction bullshit scares me as a customer, I'm dreading the moment other companies catch on with that. I'm specifically talking about the fact that the base model 3 ships with heated seats out of the factory but you can pay to have them unlocked with a software update.…

Personally speaking I would not want to share a road with an autonomous car that had been tinkered on by some random Joe. Autonomous farm vehicles or something, sure, but public roads are way too risky. This is not the desktop environment of your Linux laptop, it’s monstrously complex software controlling thousands of pounds of metal and batteries.

Re: Tesla Live Stream – Autonomy Day [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"LIDAR is a fool's errand. Everyone relying on LIDAR is doomed." edit: beat me to it

it snowed a few weekends ago in Chicago, my autopilot turned off because snow covered up the cameras. So I am not buying all this "self driving with no lidar" brouhaha

Not cleaning snow off of your vehicle before driving is crazy.

Re: Tesla Live Stream – Autonomy Day [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's like having two appendices. One appendix is bad"

I don't know the context for this, but one appendix isn't bad... appendicitis is bad.

He means the appendices in a book.

Re: Tesla Live Stream – Autonomy Day [video]

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Interesting pieces: - First principles hardware design of focused self driving computer (many times better than any competing existing hardware). Already shipping in all newly produced cars. Currently working on next gen that will be 3x better to ship in a couple years. - Lidar is an unnecessary mistake that competitors are making that won't succeed (too expensive, need too many, unnecessary). - Real world fleet test…

"many times better than competitors" "next gen that will be 3x better to ship in a couple years" applying psudomathematical varnish to marketing-speak

I was summarizing - they gave explicit technical details in the talk.

Re: Tesla Live Stream – Autonomy Day [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"LIDAR is a fool's errand. Everyone relying on LIDAR is doomed." edit: beat me to it

it snowed a few weekends ago in Chicago, my autopilot turned off because snow covered up the cameras. So I am not buying all this "self driving with no lidar" brouhaha

And would you drive if snow covered your windscreen? Or would you clean it? Which is obviously possible for cameras too.
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