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In Venezuela, life has gone from bad to worse. And the world has quit noticing

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Re: In Venezuela, life has gone from bad to worse. And the world has quit noticing

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Post by votepaunchy »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #30
googlemike wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it that, no matter what, people will always find a way to blame the US? I think in this case, the country just ran itself to the ground.

Though the US is not the sole cause of many problems, they certainly go out of their way to make many of them worse. In Venezuela, they've placed crippling sanctions on the country for years, and promoted political instability by openly backing numerous coups.

Sanctions are a neutral policy, like Google pulling out of China. The US is holding back from interfering in Venezuela (only supporting the constitutionally elected leader) and also refusing to participate in the suffering of the people.

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Post by alanz1223 »

Invade and keep the oil. The Venezuelan people get to live in a decent country and whoever invaded gets rewarded. Sure the military is on maduros side because he is the one that (barely) feeds them but an organization/government that is well financially supported would have no problems changing their hearts with a little more cash on the table.. this needs to be seen as an opportunity more than it is a crisis

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Post by oh_sigh »

droithomme wrote: post #42
Lazare wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> By your snipping Puerto Rico, I presume you agree with that one. Absolutely not; I'm just less familiar with it, and so less able to judge arguments about it. As for your links, that's not remotely on the same scale as what's being discussed in Venezuela. You need some perspective.

Please tell me about the typhus epidemic in Venezuela.

No one can, because there is no functioning public health authority in Venezuela to actually collect and analyze the data.

Out of curiosity, if you had to choose where to live right now, would you pick LA or Venezeula?

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Post by Lazare »

droithomme wrote: post #42
Lazare wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> By your snipping Puerto Rico, I presume you agree with that one. Absolutely not; I'm just less familiar with it, and so less able to judge arguments about it. As for your links, that's not remotely on the same scale as what's being discussed in Venezuela. You need some perspective.

Please tell me about the typhus epidemic in Venezuela.

It's amazing that there's typhus cases in the US at all, but it's hardly an epidemic outside of fevered media reports.

Meanwhile in Venezuela: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/feb/21/v...

The country is being ravaged by diseases such as malaria, to the extent that there's concern it will impact the entire continent.

Or for another example, rich idiots refusing vaccinations has led to cases of measles in the US. 400 this year, and while nobody’s has died, that's pretty terrible: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/01/health/measles-total-case...

Then we have Venezuela. 6.5k cases, at least 76 deaths, now starting to spread outside of their borders: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/02/15/6951006...

You're trying to compare things which aren't even on the same scale. "The health system has completely collapsed, hundreds are dead, thousands are sick!" "Yeah, well, a few dozen people got sick due to people being idiots" This isn't comparing apples to oranges, this is comparing an apple to an entire orange grove.

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Post by auto4ppl »

lifehacked wrote: post #2

How do their "leaders" still have their heads?

The government still has the support of an enormous number of people, mostly from the largely non-white working classes, whose economic and political interests were trampled on by the pre-Bolivarian governments and who are naturally suspicious of the right-wing agitators currently attempting to overthrow the government with the backing of foreign powers

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Post by libraryatnight »

droithomme wrote: post #42
Lazare wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> By your snipping Puerto Rico, I presume you agree with that one. Absolutely not; I'm just less familiar with it, and so less able to judge arguments about it. As for your links, that's not remotely on the same scale as what's being discussed in Venezuela. You need some perspective.

Please tell me about the typhus epidemic in Venezuela.

I'd hope there isn't one, as they likely could not cope with such a thing at the moment. They are, however, having issues with many other diseases as their health-care system falls apart due to the economic crisis.

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Post by nikita2206 »

jeffdavis wrote: post #31
jeffdavis wrote: post #8

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Getting a lot of downvotes for this comment, but could someone please explain where I'm going wrong? A lot of people think the way I do, so it would be helpful to explain. A country with a bright future just a couple decades ago experienced a truly remarkable decline after a socialist was elected. I'm sure there are other factors, but surely this is going to be seen as yet another failure of socialism. Whether this i…

It might not give you an answer but nevertheless quite interesting and might be enlightening to you, there’s a podcast called The History of Oil, it covers Venezuela among other countries.

Re: In Venezuela, life has gone from bad to worse. And the world has quit noticing

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

EdSharkey wrote: post #38
mdgrech23 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not always that easy. Look at what's going on in the US right now for example...

Apples to oranges comparison, US citizens still have their freedoms. Some people are just irritated in the US because politics and because the deep state is losing its grip. Americans are not dying from starvation or being gunned down by the military for protesting the government.

There is no deep state. There is the rule of law, made by our representatives and questions are decided by courts. Regardless of one person's views, we make choices based on a legal basis.

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Post by chii »

alanz1223 wrote: post #52

Invade and keep the oil. The Venezuelan people get to live in a decent country and whoever invaded gets rewarded. Sure the military is on maduros side because he is the one that (barely) feeds them but an organization/government that is well financially supported would have no problems changing their hearts with a little more cash on the table.. this needs to be seen as an opportunity more than it is a crisis

why would any entity invade (which is expensive), but still give back to the people there afterwards if the oil is the only profit from the invasion?

The people needs to rebel, and have a civil war. Take back the country, and rebuild the oil infrastructure. remove price control of goods, and let the market work.

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