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Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by randallsquared »

gnicholas wrote: post #448
tzakrajs wrote: post #393

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Guess this guy was pleased with his slower processor too.

I spend less than 10% of my time at my computer maxing my processor. I spend more than 90% of my time using the keyboard. I’ve seriously considered selling my 2017 MBP and buying a 2018 MBA. Then I heard the problems still haven’t been solved with that model and nixed that idea. But I would much rather have a slower machine with a reliable/comfortable keyboard than a faster machine with a brittle/uncomfortable one.

Speed and utilization are not the same. My 2018 MBP was a great speed improvement over the 2015 MBP I previously used, even in cases where the 2015 MBP wasn't using all cores (which really rarely happened, since for the workloads I use, multiple Electron apps and Docker for Mac, typing in Slack would start stuttering as soon as multiple cores were in constant use). I don't think it was ever usable enough at 6-7 cores maxed for me to start new things to try to use that last core...

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by earenndil »

oehpr wrote: post #457
npongratz wrote: post #437

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I want to like Thinkpads for their hardware quality, but I cannot get over Lenovo stuffing malware into their systems, even after they got caught. How can I be put at ease?

well, you can do what I do and wipe the OS. Though, that's a bit of a time investment.

Didn't the firmware add their malware to windows boot files, if detected? Not an issue if you can use another os, but if you need windows for some reason...

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by dysoco »

G4BB3R wrote: post #352
cmiles74 wrote: post #324

A co-worked of mine convinced the company to buy them a MacBook (the first the company has ever purchased) to replace their aging Dell laptop. They have been doing more and more work on the company's iOS app and the aging Mac mini the company had purchased needed to replaced anyway. After having the laptop for just over a year, they called me upset as the laptop would no longer power on. After some gentle interrogati…

I am sorry for what happened. But I just can't understand people who drink and eat at the same table with electronics. It is hard to happen, but eventually it will and will damage everything, so why doing that, this upsets me when I see people taking risks for nothing. Foods and drinks shouldn't stay outside kitchen.

So what? You've never carried your laptop to a café and bough some coffee and a donut?

It's 2019, I'm not saying laptops should withstand me dropping an entire can of soda on top of the keyboard, but I should be able to eat near it or maybe even above it without any serious repercussions.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by zach_garwood »

corndoge wrote: post #325
toast0 wrote: post #305

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From about 7 years of troubleshooting mac problems, it's actually worse than Windows problems. First, you find people discussing the problem where everyone claims it doesn't exist and no solutions are found. Then you find the problem and solution for mac os from 2008, and that solution definitely doesn't work, but might also break things worse. Then you decide, it's best to just make sure your headphones aren't on wh…

It really is kind of amusing how forum threads with Mac owners asking for help usually have at least a few people that instead of responding to the question take the opportunity to relate how their Mac has been working perfectly for them and never had that problem. I like my Mac and my Windows and my Linux boxen, I'm not a Mac hater, but I only see this on Mac related forums.

You see it ITT as well!

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by noisem4ker »

dwaite wrote: post #414
alehul wrote: post #108

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> whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea. For those not familiar with the Apple Mouse, the commenter means that the power plug is on the part that you’re supposed to have on the mousepad, meaning you can’t charge it while using it, at all. Easily the worst way to design a mouse, ever. I don’t understand how it was approved.

> Easily the worst way to design a mouse, ever. I don’t understand how it was approved. I do. It was on purpose. They do not want people using the wireless mouse as a wired mouse with a short, thick cord not designed for it. Which is totally what my parents would do.

Talk about user hostility.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by JohnFen »

kowdermeister wrote: post #442
camelNotation wrote: post #410

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Not only are Thinkpad keyboards the most comfortable and satisfying on the market, you can literally pour water on them and it will drain out the bottom of the laptop without ever touching internal components. After using my Thinkpad for about six months, I can't go back. The keyboard is amazing, build quality is rock solid, screen is 4k with 100% RGB, and you can actually upgrade the thing. I buy a laptop because I…

My only complaint with ThinkPads is that they are ugly as hell and I'm not an Apple fanboy. A device should look beautiful, clean and simple that you are looking at all day.

> A device should look beautiful, clean and simple that you are looking at all day.

That's valid. For my part, I literally could not care less how the device looks. I'll take the ugly one that works better any day of the week.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by dysoco »

Yet she went on and bought another Macbook, and this is not the only case I've heard of about "Macbooks have gone crap but what else am I supposed to do about it?"

Well, the problem is that you've bought into the ecosystem so hard now it's impossible to you to get out, I agree, maybe you don't feel like Windows or Linux are going to solve your problems (although I don't think this to be true) , but the problem is if you keep buying Apple products the company will retain the monopoly.

If you want Apple to either improve their hardware or open up their software to other manufacturers then I feel like the only way is to stop buying their products.

And it's not only about hardware/software quality, it's also about their despicable relationship with customers.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by [deleted] »

dysoco wrote: post #477

Yet she went on and bought another Macbook, and this is not the only case I've heard of about "Macbooks have gone crap but what else am I supposed to do about it?" Well, the problem is that you've bought into the ecosystem so hard now it's impossible to you to get out, I agree, maybe you don't feel like Windows or Linux are going to solve your problems (although I don't think this to be true) , but the problem is if…

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Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by masklinn »

dwaite wrote: post #414
alehul wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea. For those not familiar with the Apple Mouse, the commenter means that the power plug is on the part that you’re supposed to have on the mousepad, meaning you can’t charge it while using it, at all. Easily the worst way to design a mouse, ever. I don’t understand how it was approved.

> Easily the worst way to design a mouse, ever. I don’t understand how it was approved. I do. It was on purpose. They do not want people using the wireless mouse as a wired mouse with a short, thick cord not designed for it. Which is totally what my parents would do.

> They do not want people using the wireless mouse as a wired mouse with a short, thick cord not designed for it. Which is totally what my parents would do.

That's still stupid as hell, as it basically asserts you're not allowed to use your computer if your mouse is out of batteries.

Logitech's MX master came with a super long cable (it's at least 150cm / 5 ft), pretty flexible, and the charging port's at the top of the mouse. When it's out of battery it just becomes a wired mouse for a short while, it's super convenient. The Anywhere 2S is the same, and for all that I preferred the VX Nano overall, not having to hunt for a pair of emergency battery when I forget/forgot to recharge the 2S is extremely useful.

In fact that's pretty much the only thing I dislike about my Apple Wireless Keyboard: if I forget to charge/change the batteries when it starts whining it becomes dead weight.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by sf_rob »

cmiles74 wrote: post #324

A co-worked of mine convinced the company to buy them a MacBook (the first the company has ever purchased) to replace their aging Dell laptop. They have been doing more and more work on the company's iOS app and the aging Mac mini the company had purchased needed to replaced anyway. After having the laptop for just over a year, they called me upset as the laptop would no longer power on. After some gentle interrogati…

I damaged my company 2017 MBP by dropping it ~24" when I caught the cord on my foot. The Genius Bar wanted me to pre-authorize $800 of charges before they would even look at it. I was a bit appalled that I couldn't pay any kind of diagnostic fee.
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