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Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by matwood »

ainiriand wrote: post #164
matwood wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea. Do you have one? It charges very quickly. Basically go make a cup of coffee and it's charged for the day+ when you get back. Leave it plugged in overnight and it's good for almost a month.

So the device design decides when you can or cannot work. That is not acceptable. There are many 'what ifs' to consider.

Like every mouse that uses changeable batteries? If you don't want the tradeoffs of a wireless mouse, do not use one.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by logfromblammo »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #106
coldtea wrote: post #78

15+ years as an Apple user, this is my biggest pet peeve. The other two being: - the touch strip, which I find mostly annoying. I'd prefer physical buttons with the ability to show different labels (a la Optimus keyboard). - whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea.

Once they decided to make the mouse chargeable it was inevitable the plug would go underneath. A plug that allowed you to continue to use the mouse wouldn't stand up to the stress and strain of being dragged around your desk.

Not the way Apple treats cords and plugs, anyway.

I am consistently annoyed when Apple, who has the magnetic charging plug patent until 2025, refuses to use it in exactly the applications where it would be most beneficial.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by coldtea »

artimaeis wrote: post #259
coldtea wrote: post #196

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> Just think when your Pencil dies, which is more convenient? Just think, when your Pencil plug end snaps, because it was protruding from the end of the iPad and you've dropped it, or hit something, or made a sudden move, etc, how convenient would that be? It's a bad design, end of story.

Do you feel like the design of the 2nd generation Pencil for the 3rd generation iPad is _better_? Personally I don't like moving from Lightning to a more-proprietary non-standard magnetic interface. I think the first generation Pencil has a much better design in this regard, since now we have it working with the standard iPad and iPad Air. But, I think the design of the first generation Pencil is pretty good, so I'm…

>Do you feel like the design of the 2nd generation Pencil for the 3rd generation iPad is _better_?

Yeah, very much so. Both the charging and also the better grip.

>Personally I don't like moving from Lightning to a more-proprietary non-standard magnetic interface.

That's a non issue with the Apple Pencil, because it's already a proprietary product itself, inherently tied to the iPad. It's not like it's a cross-product/cross-platform device, and needs a standard charging interface. You'll need an iPad to use it in the first place, so might as well charge it with one.

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Nextgrid wrote: post #64
paxys wrote: post #14

> “So, just curious, why did you buy another one?” she asked, referring to the 2018 MacBook Air I’d gotten six months after selling the Pro. I was hoping she talked more about this part, but brushing it aside by bringing up "Apple ecosystem" is pretty unsatisfactory. It does tell you, though, that Apple has its target demographic by the balls, and broken keyboards are certainly not chasing them away. Macbooks will ge…

> they tried a Windows laptop and liked it This requires Windows to become likeable. I (and plenty of other people) will like Windows once it: * has a consistent UI instead of 3 control panels with icons and UI paradigms ranging from Windows 95 to Windows 10. * ships with quality applications that don't try to eat the entire screen to display 2 lines of text (pretty much all "modern" built-in apps are a disaster in t…

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Post by toast0 »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #158
darrmit wrote: post #117

It’s not just the keyboard, either. I’ve been buying Macs since they switched to Intel in 2006 and the most recent MacBook Pros are the most problematic I’ve ever had. - Bluetooth seems to be fundamentally flawed at a hardware level. AirPods, Plantronics, doesn’t matter. It just randomly connects and disconnects as it pleases. - USB-C dongles are a minefield of poor functionality However, I’ve run Linux off and on si…

> but I just don’t have time to a.) tune and configure it to work and have decent battery life with whatever hardware I choose or b.) troubleshoot it when it randomly decides to break itself on update From my experience, troubleshooting macOS when it randomly decides to break is almost a Windows-like experience - lots of frustration and no sensible help on the internet (unless your problem is so trivial it gets solve…

From about 7 years of troubleshooting mac problems, it's actually worse than Windows problems. First, you find people discussing the problem where everyone claims it doesn't exist and no solutions are found. Then you find the problem and solution for mac os from 2008, and that solution definitely doesn't work, but might also break things worse. Then you decide, it's best to just make sure your headphones aren't on when you start itunes in 2014, because there is a 10% chance of really loud static instead of music (mysteriously fixed in the next major release)

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Post by mroche »

The butterfly keyboards drive me crazy. They sound like a constant drove of woodpeckers going to town on a keyboard, and to me they just don’t feel right when traversing.

I own the full size wired aluminum keyboard and it’s honestly my favorite thing. It’s used on my Linux systems and Windows ones. Not a huge fan of mechanical keyboards and this one is thin, fast to traverse, and quiet to use. I was devastated when they ended support for it as they unveiled the iMac Pro.

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Post by TuringNYC »

bnolsen wrote: post #243

Lack of competition in the Apple ecosystem, plain and simple. I think people know this before making the jump. Or they work for a company that forces them into choosing between a windows or osx laptop. I'm in this crowd and I have no love for either. I despise apple hardware but hate windows itself far more. Most people are best served with a good chromebook. That crowd won't be the ones frequenting this type website…

How much of an ecosystem is there between Apple on the desktop vs mobile?

I have an iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, and AirPods and there is definitely a strong ecosystem there.

However, I ditched the MacBook (due to keyboard issues) and went with a ThinkPad and have been very happy. The ThinkPad has iTunes, so I dont lose my music. I supposed there is iCloud integration, but that seems like a small reason to remain on Apple desktops.

Side note: Other benefits of ThinkPad

- 64GB RAM! Can run multiple VMs easily - NVIDIA GPU for those who do CUDA work.

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Post by gdhbcc »

School-Cotton wrote: post #257
bnolsen wrote: post #248

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The apple hardware: crap keyboard, any slight usage leads to blaring fans and immediate thermal throttling. Options mean end users could actually pick something that fits their needs and not have to live with what Apple thinks YOU need. There have been times when choices haven't been good on the non apple side but in recent years the apple's few top down dictated choices on the hardware side have led to clearly infer…

My non-negotiable requirements for a laptop are as follows. If there were a non-Apple model that fit these criteria, I would consider switching. Do you know of any? (1) Unibody metal construction (2) Extremely high-quality and high-resolution screen (3) All-SSD storage (4) High-quality trackpad with multi-touch gesture support (all gestures must work perfectly 100% of the time, and the acceleration/deceleration shoul…

That kind of looks like throwing a darf, and then painting the bullseye after.

In any case, the Huawei Matebook pro x would seem to fit all but the default unix OS requirement.

I dont think any PC comes with any unix os by default, other than apple, but given the ease of setup I'm not inclined to view that requirement as anything other than a way to select what you wanted a first

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