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Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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The other commenter makes good points re: the cognitive cost of switching platforms, but let me give you another point of view: the Apple ecosystem is, actually, shockingly good. My Apple Watch unlocks all of my Macs. When I join a new WiFi network on my iPhone, those credentials are immediately available to my iPad. When my iPhone rings, it pauses video playing on my Apple TV until I ignore the call. To send a link…

Let me add a few more: 1) SMS/iMessages synced across all devices and able to send from any of the devices e.g. Mac or non-4G iPad. 2) 2FA codes received on your iPhone are automatically populated in Safari text fields on your Mac. 3) Safari window opened on an iPhone will appear as an icon on the Mac so you can easily pick up where you left off. Works for a number of other apps as well. And in every direction. 4) Ai…

The built-in messaging platform (iMessage & FaceTime) is brilliant. Microsoft shoud've done the same since they bought Skype (and back then Skype was actually good software) but instead they decided to turn it to garbage.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#82

I don't understand the failure of the butterfly keyboard? I haven't had any issues with my 2017 macBook and it seems to keep kruft from getting under my keys (A problem I had with the older macbook keyboards) I also live on my macbook so it's constantly in use, and much to my displeasure, around food.

Then you're lucky. We have two 2017 MBPs and one has a broken R key. Broadly speaking (a) the failure rate is really high and (b) the fact that it can only be fixed by a complete front plate replacement makes this a punishing error. In the old days if a key broke you could just replace that key most of the time. Here you need to replace half the chassis, which necessitates a trip to the Apple Store.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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i am absolutely laughing at this macbook pro 2017 i bought. the keyboard has been replaced 3 times now...the screen was replaced for stagelight effect(broken connector)...they replaced the whole top bit for that(everything north of the hinge gets replaced) i finally pawned it off on someone else and they promptly fried the motherboard due to water damage(the air intake ports lead directly to the motherboard so good l…

The air intake ports on the MacBook Pro are on the sides/back:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202179

Must have had the unit deeply submerged in water to get it in via those ports. Be interesting to know how that would've happened.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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> “So, just curious, why did you buy another one?” she asked, referring to the 2018 MacBook Air I’d gotten six months after selling the Pro. I was hoping she talked more about this part, but brushing it aside by bringing up "Apple ecosystem" is pretty unsatisfactory. It does tell you, though, that Apple has its target demographic by the balls, and broken keyboards are certainly not chasing them away. Macbooks will ge…

> they tried a Windows laptop and liked it This requires Windows to become likeable. I (and plenty of other people) will like Windows once it: * has a consistent UI instead of 3 control panels with icons and UI paradigms ranging from Windows 95 to Windows 10. * ships with quality applications that don't try to eat the entire screen to display 2 lines of text (pretty much all "modern" built-in apps are a disaster in t…

Windows sucks but how bout Dell XPS with Ubuntu?

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other commenter makes good points re: the cognitive cost of switching platforms, but let me give you another point of view: the Apple ecosystem is, actually, shockingly good. My Apple Watch unlocks all of my Macs. When I join a new WiFi network on my iPhone, those credentials are immediately available to my iPad. When my iPhone rings, it pauses video playing on my Apple TV until I ignore the call. To send a link…

Let me add a few more: 1) SMS/iMessages synced across all devices and able to send from any of the devices e.g. Mac or non-4G iPad. 2) 2FA codes received on your iPhone are automatically populated in Safari text fields on your Mac. 3) Safari window opened on an iPhone will appear as an icon on the Mac so you can easily pick up where you left off. Works for a number of other apps as well. And in every direction. 4) Ai…

When I switched from macOS to linux, the things I missed the most were AirDrop and being able to text from my computer. I'll admit I still haven't found substitutes for either that are nearly as nice.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me add a few more: 1) SMS/iMessages synced across all devices and able to send from any of the devices e.g. Mac or non-4G iPad. 2) 2FA codes received on your iPhone are automatically populated in Safari text fields on your Mac. 3) Safari window opened on an iPhone will appear as an icon on the Mac so you can easily pick up where you left off. Works for a number of other apps as well. And in every direction. 4) Ai…

The built-in messaging platform (iMessage & FaceTime) is brilliant. Microsoft shoud've done the same since they bought Skype (and back then Skype was actually good software) but instead they decided to turn it to garbage.

I don't understand how Microsoft or Google managed to screw up messaging so bad.

It is a level of utter incompetence (especially from Google) that surely is unrivalled. I mean what Apple has implemented really isn't all that complex.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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post #78

15+ years as an Apple user, this is my biggest pet peeve. The other two being: - the touch strip, which I find mostly annoying. I'd prefer physical buttons with the ability to show different labels (a la Optimus keyboard). - whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea.

The other big one is when they removed the Injection-molded end caps, "cable savers" from their cords.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#88

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> they tried a Windows laptop and liked it This requires Windows to become likeable. I (and plenty of other people) will like Windows once it: * has a consistent UI instead of 3 control panels with icons and UI paradigms ranging from Windows 95 to Windows 10. * ships with quality applications that don't try to eat the entire screen to display 2 lines of text (pretty much all "modern" built-in apps are a disaster in t…

Windows sucks but how bout Dell XPS with Ubuntu?

Coil whine. Seriously it’s like it’s trying to get me to kill myself.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#89

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The apple repair store near me (not an apple store per-se) has those condoms on the customer facing keyboards. Wow, they're awful!

I have the Ghostcover and it's amazing. Doesn't cover the TouchBar and helps to soften the noise.

Oh how sad. I remember those videos showing the first unibody MBPs, everyone was drooling over those. Now people have to use that!! [1] while $200 laptops from ASUS have keyboards that work for 10 years. I wish they were the kind of company that could admit a mistake, but it breaks their story.

[1] https://store.gouppercase.com/products/premium-keyboard-prot...

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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post #14

> “So, just curious, why did you buy another one?” she asked, referring to the 2018 MacBook Air I’d gotten six months after selling the Pro. I was hoping she talked more about this part, but brushing it aside by bringing up "Apple ecosystem" is pretty unsatisfactory. It does tell you, though, that Apple has its target demographic by the balls, and broken keyboards are certainly not chasing them away. Macbooks will ge…

My laptop of choice (X1 Carbon) consistently gets a pretty good rep for its keyboard. I'm still using my ~6.5 year old first generation (top spec) and the keyboard remains flawless. But then again they actually test for foreign particle ingression: https://solutions.lenovo.com/resource-center/pc-solutions/pa...

It also has a bezel that’s just a sticker you can peel off. Also, screen and keyboard lottery.
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