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Nearly every sport except long-distance running is fundamentally absurd

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Re: Nearly every sport except long-distance running is fundamentally absurd

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The author omitted that humans are the best animals at throwing. Eg, http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140225-human-vs-animal-who... . As such, the headline is an incorrect generalization of converting "humans are good at long-distance running" into "long-distance running is the only sport ability that humans are better at than other animals." No animal can throw a spear, or even a rock, more accurately than a human.…

The dogs can only outrun the human in arctic conditions, as the article mentions. In warmer weather the superior human cooling system wins longer term.

The full relevant text is "Dogs can gallop for only about 10 to 15 minutes before reverting to a trot, and so their distance-running speed tops out at about 3.8 meters per second. .. Elite human runners ... can sustain speeds up to 6.5 meters per second ... Huskies can trot up to 100 kilometers in Arctic conditions when forced to by people."

I objected to the handwaving numbers.

Handwaving #1: 42.2 km / (6.5 meters / second) = 1.8 hours for a marathon distance. The 2 hour marathon has not been broken. Hence, the 'sustain' here is for less than 2 hours, and not the day-long sled races that dogs can do

Handwaving #2: The text implies that a dog trotting speed is 'about 3.8 meters per second' then uses 'trot' for Huskies which, according to the link I gave, are able to 'average 10 to 14 miles per hour during the course of a day'. That is 6.25 meters per second, or almost as fast as elite runners, and for a longer time period.

Handwaving #3: Sled dogs can race far longer than 100km. The Iditarod is about 1,000 miles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iditarod_Trail_Sled_Dog_Race says "the exact measured distance of the race varies from year to year, but officially the northern route is 975 miles (1,569 km) long, and the southern route is 998 miles (1,606 km) long" and that the fastest time is 8 days, 3 hours, 40 minutes, and 13 seconds and 8 or 9 days is not uncommon. That's about 180km/day, not the "up to 100km".

From http://www.iau-ultramarathon.org/images/file/March_2012_Worl... we see that the fastest human times, is over 10 days - truly impressive!, but significantly slower than sled dogs.

I just realized that 'special circumstances' is also human-centered. Humans also require appropriate climate to get those optimal speeds, and the Yiannis Kouros's 10 day record is on a road, not cross-country through snow like what the dogs run in. From the dog's point of view, humans need a special circumstances - climate and well-prepared track in order to reach their long-distance efforts.

Re: Nearly every sport except long-distance running is fundamentally absurd

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Humans aren't the best living creatures at something, so doing it competitively or watching others do so is absurd? I don't believe that follows. Only the most anti-social people on Earth would recommend we not have Special Olympics for handicapped persons to compete, improve themselves, feel good about the effort they put in and the results, etc. They're obviously not the greatest athletes in the world, but that doe…

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Re: Nearly every sport except long-distance running is fundamentally absurd

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The author mentions that they are basketball fans, then goes on to compare the athleticism of Michael Jordan to a cat or a dog. And yet, any basketball fan can tell you that raw physical prowess is not the most important part of playing the sport. It's being able to help your team put the ball into the hoop more than the other team. That requires shooting, dribbling, passing and defensive skills while minimizing fouls and technicals. None of which any other animal could master.

Also, while Jordan was a great athlete, there have been even more freakish ones like Giannis, Spud Webb, Shaq, Wilt and arguably, Lebron.But why should being a freakish athlete be the measuring stick and not shooting like Stephen Curry?

Re: Nearly every sport except long-distance running is fundamentally absurd

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The premise is as presented by the title is clearly ridiculous.

That said, the article itself touches on some vaguely interesting points. I enjoyed the image of early humans taking down antelopes through a combination of persistence and efficient cooling, and doing this often enough to sustain a species until it could develop tools and hand-eye coordination.

Re: Nearly every sport except long-distance running is fundamentally absurd

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Well, cats and dogs can out-jump Michael Jordan and any other human, but they can't handle the ball! As far as I'm aware, Gus is the only animal who's been successful at the professional level.

You know, there's nothing in the rulebook saying a dog can't play...

Re: Nearly every sport except long-distance running is fundamentally absurd

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Humans aren't the best living creatures at something, so doing it competitively or watching others do so is absurd? I don't believe that follows. Only the most anti-social people on Earth would recommend we not have Special Olympics for handicapped persons to compete, improve themselves, feel good about the effort they put in and the results, etc. They're obviously not the greatest athletes in the world, but that doe…

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Thank you!
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