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Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by throwawayc6 »

craftyguy wrote: post #241
ada1981 wrote: post #233

I’m still curious why they don’t pull the plug on Trump. It’s within their legal rights and it would irritate him. Seems like a no brainer.

He's their most prized user. Cratering him would likely crater the entire service, despite donald's blatant violations of twitter's TOS.

There seems to be another set of rules for users with high follower counts, presumably because Twitter is terrified of the backlash and claims of censorship.

One particularly nasty individual with a blue checkmark has the habit of screenshotting people who disagree with her, and then unleashing her followers on them. It’s almost impossible to critically engage with this individual without risking being destroyed professionally or personally. Twitter’s response seems to be quietly demoting Tweets, but there is definitely a power dynamic at play with people who have high follower counts, and it isn’t in favor of Twitter.

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Post by pluma »

meowface wrote: post #295
echlebek wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll happily take the downvotes to point out that you could follow gamers, gun afficionados and Jordan Petersonites to get another brand of politics.

I think video game players are probably actually left-leaning on average. GamerGate seems to have created massive misunderstandings on all sides of the issues. (And no, I'm not defending it or denying things that occurred.)

Game players yes. Prominent gaming channels are a mixed bag though. "Bro culture" is very much a thing and casual homophobia and racism is still very widespread.

I'd say "liberal" is a more accurate descriptor than "left-leaning". I'd call PewDiePie liberal but not a leftist by any stretch of the imagination, for example.

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Post by pluma »

platz wrote: post #166
markdog12 wrote: post #162

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I recently created a Twitter account, mostly as an experiment. I just followed some programmers, stuck to programming content. Immediately and every day after, I was constantly being displayed Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Justin Trudeau, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, etc. Not a single politician or voice not on the left. Considering how powerful Twitter has become, this is troubling. I know this is just one…

> just followed some programmers Well now you know why you're seeing what you're seeing. Are programmers supposed to be some apolitical hyper-rational cohort?

I used to be annoyed about how a lot of the programmers I followed on Twitter would tweet about politics and feminism.

Then I talked to some people who were on the receiving end of the kind of programmers that don't care about those things, groan when they hear words like "feminism", "intersectionality" or "diversity" and instead believe in "meritocracy" and "rationality".

Now I'm one of those programmers who tweet about politics and feminism.

Sometimes you need to be confronted with the pain you've been complicit to in order to figure out why the people around you all seem to disagree with you and make such a fuss about stuff you don't care about.

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Post by pluma »

jelling wrote: post #15

> He suggested that the service works best as an “interest-based network,” where you log in and see content relevant to your interests, no matter who posted it So reddit. If you stick to smaller, interested based subs, reddit is a far superior product because it has human moderators and threading. The "breaking news" aspect of Twitter is extremely oversold imo, but people post things just as quickly on reddit.

FWIW if something "world news" level happens, first thing I do is check twitter hashtags.

TV news and online news sites usually lag behind and rarely fact-check the "breaking news" so they're generally only worth paying attention days or weeks later when all the fact checking is done. If they're up to date, they're mostly recycling other people's content from social media without attributing any sources or real fact checking. If they're not recycling social media they're generally so vague and non-committal that they basically tell you nothing.

When the Notre Dame fire broke out the only thing I saw on TV was a short matter-of-fact notice in the evening news. Social media had live streams and people linking to articles about the renovations etc.

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Post by lazyjones »

What's with all the people going hysterical about social media lately? Twitter and FB won't break our democracy and culture, it just annoys everyone when the media are addicted to quoting viral Tweets and FB posts/videos instead of doing their jobs as journalists. You can't "fix" Twitter in such a way that so-called journalists won't quote every random Trump tweet and write 2 editorials and 3 articles around it. Someone just needs to give these journalists a good wake-up slapping, so we can go back to reading actual newsworthy stories.

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Post by Jommi »

baggy_trough wrote: post #25
jsnell wrote: post #2

> He suggested that the service works best as an “interest-based network,” where you log in and see content relevant to your interests, no matter who posted it Yeah, no thanks. Has anybody ever been happy with Twitter's attempts to force content from non-followed users into the feed? A couple of times a year they'll opt everybody back into whatever crappy experiment they're running ("hey, we'll put some posts to your…

Algorithmic feeds are, in all cases, Satan's handiwork. What I want is to see posts from the individuals I have selected, interleaved in chronological order, with no tampering.

Great. Now you've created a perfect bubble for yourself.

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Post by tomjen3 »

dman wrote: post #53
bhl wrote: post #40

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Why can’t a network have self moderation at a global and local level? Reddit does this to an extent, with each community having its own separate moderation and culture, and the front page which is curated from a list of communities. The trick is have a moderation bottleneck, the curation, between the local and global stages.

Because as a CEO you dont want to wake up every day to headlines that you are profiting off exploitation of children / nazis / hatecrimes. A probabilistic filter of best effort moderation does not cut it from a CEOs point of view. The world at large and the media makes a huge hue and cry (often for justifiable reasons) when objectionable hateful content is found on a large network. If you are a CEO you want to bring…

>These tier1 brands want a family friendly image and dont want their content shown next to anything possible objectionable.

The solution here is to go places they normally advertise and astro-turf groups that "object" to whatever they are already advertised near.

They will have to learn that no matter what you do, somebody will be upset.

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Post by rorykoehler »

darawk wrote: post #303
rorykoehler wrote: post #265

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It's not what I said but it's fairly obvious that money is like steroids. You can't turn a donkey into a race horse but any semi-competent person can be successful with enough cash injection and network to get good advice.

> You can't turn a donkey into a race horse but any semi-competent person can be successful with enough cash injection and network to get good advice. You've obviously never actually started a company. Talk to me when you have. People with money flame out every day. A huge percentage of companies that do receive VC funding fail. Way, way more than half. An infinitesimal fraction of companies VCs invest in go on to be…

If you are correct which you may well be then I can only conclude that he is very dishonest in how he portrays himself via his public persona.

There is an alternative explanation https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/australianz/speechless-mel...

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Post by Yizahi »

massysett wrote: post #189
danenania wrote: post #137

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+1000 This completely ruins using Twitter as an official support channel for a business. I want to be notified immediately whenever my company is mentioned, but enabling email/push notifications so that I'm aware of these asap also means constantly opening Twitter just to dismiss whatever unsolicited spam they're trying to put in front of me. It adds up to quite a lot of wasted time and is a downright obnoxious user…

This is an honest question - why on earth should Twitter be an official support channel for a business? If I had a business, I would respond to Twitter support requests with “please see our support website for how to contact us” or “thanks, we are now contacting you.” I don’t know why Twitter users should get better support and it seems odd to me to rely on Twitter to provide or to ask for support.

I really hate when a company lists "Support Email" address and never replies to it. Dozens of companies did this to me (sent from my gmail). And yet in horrible and unusable twitter or slightly less horrible facebook they reply in hours, or even minutes.
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