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Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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Post by umeshunni »

chillacy wrote: post #56
dannykwells wrote: post #6

Zuck literally is becoming a charicature. What a joke. Except that world democracy is at stake. Can we regulate these goons yet or what?

The Facebook killing democracy meme is flattering for technologists but imo too simplistic. In America there are a number of “democracy killers” or “this is why we have trump” in the mainstream narrative: Russia, Racism, FBI, Facebook, electoral college, etc. Let’s not forget people tilt towards economic or cultural nationalism for a reason, and it’s in our power to address those reasons directly, not chase band aid…

"The this is why we have Trump" blame keeps shifting as long as Liberals are unable to acknowledge their own lack of empathy for their compatriots and their own failures to provide solutions that work for what ails their country.

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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Post by monetus »

thekyle wrote: post #43
y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use it. Yes I've tried. They don't want to switch :/

Same with me, apparently being able to change the background of chats is an "essential feature".

You joke, but, if a user can't spend time making something pretty then complaints are probably inbound. I think its a silly tradeoff for privacy. People associate emotion with everything though, and a communication app seems like a logical place people would want to set the mood.

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

Zelphyr wrote: post #37
dymk wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Dumb fucks” is more overplayed than “Google is going to shut down ”. It’s FUD. Zuckerberg said that when his tiny website was open to his classmates and a few others, and hasn’t been representative of how the company functions. I seriously cant believe that it’s still a meme people use to justify their hate for Facebook.

What has Zuckerberg done since it was a tiny website to demonstrate his views have changed? I have yet to see anything. In fact, to my mind he has billions of dollars of revenue that reinforce that view.

The whole business model of Facebook is to collect personal data and sell it for profit. It should surprise no one that they are doing that. Furthermore, it shouldn't surprise Americans that there are zero regulations protecting their non-health related data. Free stuff on the internet doesn't run on fairy dust.

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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Post by socialhack3r »

Folks should check out this article that explains how Facebook intentionally did not pass along privacy metadata to developers. Shows how a lot of the so called "breaches" happened. Hint: they weren't breaches, it was privacy violation by design. https://medium.com/@six4three/deceit-by-design-zucks-dirty-s...

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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Post by socialhack3r »

shkkmo wrote: post #39
hackinthebochs wrote: post #30

>Facebook gave Amazon extended access to user data because it was... partnering with the social network on the launch of its Fire smartphone. So is this yet another case of the media being incapable of distinguishing between transferring of data to third parties and displaying data on devices as an agent of the user, i.e. for the purpose of providing an integrated facebook experience? Until the media shows itself to…

Do you have some context to support your statement? How do you know what what "extended access to user data" means here?

This article helps explain it: https://medium.com/@six4three/how-facebook-sold-your-data-an...

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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Post by socialhack3r »

socialhack3r wrote: post #66
shkkmo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have some context to support your statement? How do you know what what "extended access to user data" means here?

This article helps explain it: https://medium.com/@six4three/how-facebook-sold-your-data-an...

UK Parliament's report has a sample agreement that Facebook had with companies that whitelisted them and gave them extended access to user data when they publicly represented that the APIs had been deprecated

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Post by basch »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #38
b_tterc_p wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re quote doesn’t really prove that it was just giving access to amazon devices. Could go either way, no?

Every other time the issue has come up, it's turned out that "access to user data" meant that the third party was allowed to ask the user for access to their data. In principle this could be the first time Facebook actually just tossed database dumps at Amazon, and in principle Amazon might have abused the access to steal user data for themselves. But neither of those possibilities seem likely or are supported by the…

The only real one I can remember off the top of my head, where facebook giving access to data didnt turn out to be userbase hands over data on themselves and friend, was the Netflix and some others getting access to private messages. And even there, it wasnt nefarious, it was facebook trying to extend people features, like being able to send their friends spotify songs.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/18/18147616/facebook-user-d...

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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Post by dwb »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #63
Zelphyr wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What has Zuckerberg done since it was a tiny website to demonstrate his views have changed? I have yet to see anything. In fact, to my mind he has billions of dollars of revenue that reinforce that view.

The whole business model of Facebook is to collect personal data and sell it for profit. It should surprise no one that they are doing that. Furthermore, it shouldn't surprise Americans that there are zero regulations protecting their non-health related data. Free stuff on the internet doesn't run on fairy dust.

Something doesn't have to be surprising for people to legitimately protest against it. The existence of Facebook isn't a result of some democratic consensus, it's some dude's get-rich scheme that's happened to have popped off.

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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Post by sushisushisushi »

dymk wrote: post #27
AlexandrB wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder why people were so unwilling to accept Zuckerberg's own sentiment ("dumb fucks") about their data for years. It seems like that's basically the attitude at Facebook from the top down. Everything else is PR spin.

“Dumb fucks” is more overplayed than “Google is going to shut down ”. It’s FUD. Zuckerberg said that when his tiny website was open to his classmates and a few others, and hasn’t been representative of how the company functions. I seriously cant believe that it’s still a meme people use to justify their hate for Facebook.

It's not FUD if it's direct evidence that provides an accurate representation of how he thinks and how he views his product (which it is). Your mention of FUD is just FUD. It's a FUDception.
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