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Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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Post by AlexandrB »

dymk wrote: post #27
AlexandrB wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder why people were so unwilling to accept Zuckerberg's own sentiment ("dumb fucks") about their data for years. It seems like that's basically the attitude at Facebook from the top down. Everything else is PR spin.

“Dumb fucks” is more overplayed than “Google is going to shut down ”. It’s FUD. Zuckerberg said that when his tiny website was open to his classmates and a few others, and hasn’t been representative of how the company functions. I seriously cant believe that it’s still a meme people use to justify their hate for Facebook.

> Zuckerberg said that when his tiny website was open to his classmates and a few others, and hasn’t been representative of how the company functions.

How can you claim that in the context of the revelations from this article? Seems like the company functions exactly like we're all "dumb fucks". And why do you think his attitude would change to be more egalitarian as his success and power increased?

Edit: > I seriously cant believe that it’s still a meme people use to justify their hate for Facebook.

It's not a meme. It's the founder and CEO of a company that holds the private data of >2B users telling us exactly how he feels about his users' expectations of privacy. Since then Facebook has only experienced growth and success. What event in Mark Zuckerberg's professional life could have significantly challenged this attitude do you think? It's been all positive feedback loops until recently.

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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AlexandrB wrote: post #28

> “As we’ve said many times, Six4Three — creators of the Pikinis app — cherry picked these documents from years ago as part of a lawsuit to force Facebook to share information on friends of the app's users,” Paul Grewal, vice president and deputy general counsel at Facebook, said in a statement released by the company. > “The set of documents, by design, tells only one side of the story and omits important context. .…

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Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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neves wrote: post #17

Please read this. This isn't just another routine news that Zuck lied and Facebook is evil. They had access to more than 4.000 previously unreleased documents. Democracy is at stake. Facebook and its subsidiaries are destroying our societies. The problem is global. Not because it is happening in a far away country you shouldn't care. You can already see the increase in Amazon deforestation due to Bolsonaro election i…

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Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

AlexandrB wrote: post #28

> “As we’ve said many times, Six4Three — creators of the Pikinis app — cherry picked these documents from years ago as part of a lawsuit to force Facebook to share information on friends of the app's users,” Paul Grewal, vice president and deputy general counsel at Facebook, said in a statement released by the company. > “The set of documents, by design, tells only one side of the story and omits important context. .…

They've already made it clear that (they claim) the overall framing was user privacy. Maybe they're lying, but if they aren't I don't know what further context they could provide.

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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Post by b_tterc_p »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #30

>Facebook gave Amazon extended access to user data because it was... partnering with the social network on the launch of its Fire smartphone. So is this yet another case of the media being incapable of distinguishing between transferring of data to third parties and displaying data on devices as an agent of the user, i.e. for the purpose of providing an integrated facebook experience? Until the media shows itself to…

You’re quote doesn’t really prove that it was just giving access to amazon devices. Could go either way, no?

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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Post by Zelphyr »

dymk wrote: post #27
AlexandrB wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder why people were so unwilling to accept Zuckerberg's own sentiment ("dumb fucks") about their data for years. It seems like that's basically the attitude at Facebook from the top down. Everything else is PR spin.

“Dumb fucks” is more overplayed than “Google is going to shut down ”. It’s FUD. Zuckerberg said that when his tiny website was open to his classmates and a few others, and hasn’t been representative of how the company functions. I seriously cant believe that it’s still a meme people use to justify their hate for Facebook.

What has Zuckerberg done since it was a tiny website to demonstrate his views have changed? I have yet to see anything. In fact, to my mind he has billions of dollars of revenue that reinforce that view.

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

b_tterc_p wrote: post #35
hackinthebochs wrote: post #30

>Facebook gave Amazon extended access to user data because it was... partnering with the social network on the launch of its Fire smartphone. So is this yet another case of the media being incapable of distinguishing between transferring of data to third parties and displaying data on devices as an agent of the user, i.e. for the purpose of providing an integrated facebook experience? Until the media shows itself to…

You’re quote doesn’t really prove that it was just giving access to amazon devices. Could go either way, no?

Every other time the issue has come up, it's turned out that "access to user data" meant that the third party was allowed to ask the user for access to their data.

In principle this could be the first time Facebook actually just tossed database dumps at Amazon, and in principle Amazon might have abused the access to steal user data for themselves. But neither of those possibilities seem likely or are supported by the described evidence.

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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Post by shkkmo »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #30

>Facebook gave Amazon extended access to user data because it was... partnering with the social network on the launch of its Fire smartphone. So is this yet another case of the media being incapable of distinguishing between transferring of data to third parties and displaying data on devices as an agent of the user, i.e. for the purpose of providing an integrated facebook experience? Until the media shows itself to…

Do you have some context to support your statement? How do you know what what "extended access to user data" means here?

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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Post by ionised »

dymk wrote: post #27
AlexandrB wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder why people were so unwilling to accept Zuckerberg's own sentiment ("dumb fucks") about their data for years. It seems like that's basically the attitude at Facebook from the top down. Everything else is PR spin.

“Dumb fucks” is more overplayed than “Google is going to shut down ”. It’s FUD. Zuckerberg said that when his tiny website was open to his classmates and a few others, and hasn’t been representative of how the company functions. I seriously cant believe that it’s still a meme people use to justify their hate for Facebook.

It's still a meme because it is clearly still how Zuckerberg thinks.

His words and actions are those of someone who gives zero fucks about his user base as long as he gets to continue exploiting their private information.

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