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Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#161

Post by Not_anchovie »

zach43 wrote: post #15

Just wanted to say that i moved from twitter to mastodon sometime late last year amd couldn't be happier with it. Keybase integration is interesting to me, but not realky useful since i don't want to tie mastodon with my real life identity. the Fediverse as a whole has a very different 'feel' to it compared to Twitter. Twitter feels significantly more commercialized amd stressful...mastodon / pleroma feel a lot more…

I'm also willing to bet the personal attacks are kept to a bare minimum at Mastadon, where as with Twitter, you just have be idk...opposed to one popular political thing publicly to be regularly attacked and harassed.

Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#162

Post by Not_anchovie »

dwighttk wrote: post #88
zach43 wrote: post #15

Just wanted to say that i moved from twitter to mastodon sometime late last year amd couldn't be happier with it. Keybase integration is interesting to me, but not realky useful since i don't want to tie mastodon with my real life identity. the Fediverse as a whole has a very different 'feel' to it compared to Twitter. Twitter feels significantly more commercialized amd stressful...mastodon / pleroma feel a lot more…

I opened a Mastodon account and me and one other person I know who opened an account toot at each other every 6 months or so... I guess there is another person I know who opened one but never toots... I try to pretend it doesn't matter to me, but calling individual posts "toots" really does keep me from talking about the service with other people.

If "toots" is the one word that keeps it from getting ruined by mainstream adoption, then so be it. The cycle always seems to be:

1) Look at this great thing a few geniuses developed

2) The intellectuals and forward looking people early adopt

3) It slowly turns from being cool trendy and useful, into a Walmart-like all things to all people behemoth of gross negligence.

4) Some heavy abuses are uncovered, and using it is no longer valuable to anyone.

Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#163

Post by rtkwe »

dwighttk wrote: post #149
ryu2k2 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

just call them "posts" or "microposts" if you don't like "toot"

mostly off topic: Most of my friends are on Instagram and think I’m funny for being on twitter anyway. They have a business twitter account that they only use at conferences and socialize on IG. I tried setting up a new ig account (deleted my first when they sold to Facebook) and couldn’t get past the input phone number portion of the signup. Anyway trying to convert people from twitter to mastodon is sorta hard. If…

> Anyway trying to convert people from twitter to mastodon is sorta hard.

That's because going from Twitter to Mastodon is a downgrade in pretty much every concrete way and only an upgrade in less concrete more esoteric terms.

From most people the main benefits I've seen cited are censorship resistance (how many people encounter significant censorship on twitter today?) and decentralization (which only really matters philosophically, to the user on the site the decentralization gets hidden).

On the downsides though there's plenty right on the surface for users: limited users (like all social networks if the people you want to interact with aren't there it's useless), mediocre default layout (the 3 column default doesn't make good use of space and give equal importance to everything cramping the main thing you want to see the toots) and discovery (the main way I've found people to follow on Mastodon? finding them on twitter where I already follow them and seeing they're on Mastodon too).

To a random user who doesn't really encounter censorship on twitter or care about decentralized/federated networks it's just a sub-par version of Twitter with a worse interface, a sparser social graph and longer handles.

Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#164

Post by codewiz »

founderling wrote: post #123
mintplant wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And they want users to trust that central service to decide who is who. Actually, no, the whole point of Keybase is that you don't have to trust the central server, and can verify all the proofs yourself. The CLI does this automatically.

1: They claim the integration is needed because people are too dumb to copy&paste a string. 2: The whole user interface is set up so users believe in what they see in the web interfaces. And you want to tell me with a straight face that users will do their own crypto foo instead and validate hashes? Even if the users used that CLI, that does not help. As we saw with Ethereum. They simply pushed out new code that rewr…

> As we saw with Ethereum. They simply pushed out new code that rewrote history.

Do some basic research. History was never rewritten and new code was never pushed on users. Users voted in favor of the DAO fork, then users voluntarily downloaded newer versions of their wallets in which the respective developers had implemented the agreed upon new rules that moved the stolen money to a recovery account.

Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#165

Post by LukeHoersten »

jeena wrote: post #18
zach43 wrote: post #15

Just wanted to say that i moved from twitter to mastodon sometime late last year amd couldn't be happier with it. Keybase integration is interesting to me, but not realky useful since i don't want to tie mastodon with my real life identity. the Fediverse as a whole has a very different 'feel' to it compared to Twitter. Twitter feels significantly more commercialized amd stressful...mastodon / pleroma feel a lot more…

It would be cool to see everyone's Mastodon usernames/domains, I'm on my own self hosted instance where it's a bit more difficult to find other people. Mine is: https://toot.jeena.net/@jeena

https://nth.io/Luke

Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#166

Post by c0vfefe »

zach43 wrote: post #109
twblalock wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I know you're joking, but if you found your way on to a site called "Hacker News" at a URL like https://news.ycombinator.com , it it really going to be so much more complicated to understand that https://mastodon.social is the website of the Mastodon social network? Yes it is, because when people thing of $something, they assume the website is $something.com. If Mastodon plans to appeal to the general public then i…

I'm personally not at all attached to the 'mastodon.social' domain (i'm self-hosting my own account on a different instance), but I am somewhat surprised at this perspective on TLDs. Most users of the internet have been exposed to TLDs other than ".com". For example, wikipedia is at a .org TLD, US government sites are at .gov domains, university websites are at .edu domains. Most non-US users will frequently interact…

twblalock wasn't arguing that TLD bias is rational, but that it's a real factor that somewhat hinders large-scale adoption. Sure, Grandma or Jane Preteen has seen ".org" or ".gov" a few times, and sure the ".social" is a logical fit, but will those facts materially influence their habit of defaulting to ".com"?

You make a good point about how many users will simply Google the name, which naturally opens the question about whether users will want to scroll past info on the band & prehistoric animal before finding the service.

Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#167

Post by rtkwe »

Not_anchovie wrote: post #161
zach43 wrote: post #15

Just wanted to say that i moved from twitter to mastodon sometime late last year amd couldn't be happier with it. Keybase integration is interesting to me, but not realky useful since i don't want to tie mastodon with my real life identity. the Fediverse as a whole has a very different 'feel' to it compared to Twitter. Twitter feels significantly more commercialized amd stressful...mastodon / pleroma feel a lot more…

I'm also willing to bet the personal attacks are kept to a bare minimum at Mastadon, where as with Twitter, you just have be idk...opposed to one popular political thing publicly to be regularly attacked and harassed.

How much of that is just because there aren't as many people there though? Both in the lack of enough people to make a critical storm of people and just not enough people to form an audience for that kind of action. I doubt that would remain the same if Mastodon took off and became a huge thing.

Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#168

Post by xfalcox »

dcbadacd wrote: post #49
bloopernova wrote: post #38

Keybase is certainly interesting. Is it possible to link up to your stackoverflow identity yet? How are people using Keybase right now? I added several of my accounts but I'm especially interested in the GPG encryption/signing.

StackOverflow integration sounds really cool. Wish they added Discourse support as well - hard to prove I'm me on all of these Discourse instances.

Tracking the Discourse implementation here: https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-keybase-proof/115239?...

Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#169

Post by Nursie »

Mirioron wrote: post #148
Nursie wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whilst I appreciate your views, for many/most the idea that no party can affect or take down the content is a negative. "Nobody can censor us!" is absolutely, unfortunately equivalent to - "Nobody can take down race hatred, online harassment, child abuse images or other evil shit" And we've adequate evidence now to show that humans will use such platforms to post exactly that sort of stuff. For instance one of the bi…

In the grand scheme of things censorship is the more dangerous thing though. People often don't care about censorship until it affects them, but once it does, they care a lot. There's a reason why the first amendment protects speech. It's the building block for an improving society.

As far as I'm aware, the first amendment doesn't protect the distribution of child abuse images, or allow harassment, etc.

So we already have lines on 'speech'.

I agree, censorship can be sinister, but I disagree that it's so sinister that we have to allow everything for fear of allowing nothing. Society already doesn't work that way.

Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#170

Post by tracker1 »

jeena wrote: post #18
zach43 wrote: post #15

Just wanted to say that i moved from twitter to mastodon sometime late last year amd couldn't be happier with it. Keybase integration is interesting to me, but not realky useful since i don't want to tie mastodon with my real life identity. the Fediverse as a whole has a very different 'feel' to it compared to Twitter. Twitter feels significantly more commercialized amd stressful...mastodon / pleroma feel a lot more…

It would be cool to see everyone's Mastodon usernames/domains, I'm on my own self hosted instance where it's a bit more difficult to find other people. Mine is: https://toot.jeena.net/@jeena

I literally haven't actually posted or done anything on it...

https://mastodon.technology/@tracker1

I've thought about putting one up for social.bbs.io or bbs.land

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