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Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#81

Post by lokedhs »

jeena wrote: post #18
zach43 wrote: post #15

Just wanted to say that i moved from twitter to mastodon sometime late last year amd couldn't be happier with it. Keybase integration is interesting to me, but not realky useful since i don't want to tie mastodon with my real life identity. the Fediverse as a whole has a very different 'feel' to it compared to Twitter. Twitter feels significantly more commercialized amd stressful...mastodon / pleroma feel a lot more…

It would be cool to see everyone's Mastodon usernames/domains, I'm on my own self hosted instance where it's a bit more difficult to find other people. Mine is: https://toot.jeena.net/@jeena

I switched to Mastodon about a year or so ago. I fully agree with the grandparent post in that the atmosphere is very different compared to the major social media platforms.

As you allude to, discovery is harder since you don't have an algorithm pointing you in the direction of content you're likely to engage with (yes, engage with, and not necessarily enjoy) but once you have found the right people to follow, it's more rewarding because it's your community, not owned by a single corporate entity.

Although I didn't use G+ much in the later days, its closure showed my how irresponsible it is to rely on proprietary platforms. I'm committed to never be active on a proprietary, closed social media platform again.

My main account is here: https://functional.cafe/@loke

Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#82

Post by [deleted] »

dbasedweeb wrote: post #68
aldoushuxley001 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mainly got hung up on these words: "We boop snoots instead of boosting toots". Are these mastadon-specific terms?

I googled this, and was very very sorry that I did. Suffice it to say this terminology is specific to a subculture of people who dress up as animal mascots. Booping snoots apparently means touching the nose, I think? I also ran across something called “cub porn” and now I need a shower so hot it can melt glass.

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Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#83

Post by rickycook »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #54
phoe-krk wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is Keybase chat federated? Using a centralized service defeats the purpose of a decentralized Fediverse.

It's not, but decentralization isn't super effective for private channels of communication, particularly where neither end is running the software in question. (Most Mastodon users aren't site admins.) But presumably if proving a Keybase user and a Mastodon user are the same is given, when a Mastodon user wants to contact another outside of Mastodon, Keybase Chat may be the new default choice.

i think that’s pretty incorrect tbh; xmpp/otr, and matrix handle federation and private chat/encryption just fine

id much prefer to see chat that’s just thinly wrapped in a pgp implementation that gets its keys from keybase (maybe just initial secrets transferred with pgp for handshake or something)

Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#84

Post by Spivak »

mgoia wrote: post #64
Kye wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Translation: every weird niche interest can have its own server for its community with its own rules, culture, and user experience while still communicating with other servers.

That is correct in theory. But in practice, other servers will block your server if the rules deviate from the mainstream rules, effectively isolating your server.

Well yeah, what's the point of having rules on an instance if you can just break them by moving to another but still participate?

Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#85

Post by mgoia »

Spivak wrote: post #84
mgoia wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is correct in theory. But in practice, other servers will block your server if the rules deviate from the mainstream rules, effectively isolating your server.

Well yeah, what's the point of having rules on an instance if you can just break them by moving to another but still participate?

Then the comment I replied to was wrong. There is no interconnected network of servers with different rules.

Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#86

Post by mirimir »

xgess wrote: post #28
wut42 wrote: post #8

This sucks -- not all Mastodon instances will be able to use this. It's subject to approval by keybase, ensuring only big instances can use this. A step backwards a proper decentralized network…

Keybase team member here. We have more than 30 so far, and they range from some of the largest down to single-user instances.

OK, but what about "sex workers and such" that wut42 mentions in a subthread?

Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#87

Post by Nadya »

Spivak wrote: post #60
chrisdirkis wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If everything links to everything, that's an n^2 problem (and hard to coordinate actors to do). If everything just links to one service, that's n or 2n at most. Also, I can write the name of any twitter account in my HN profile. I can only link _my_ twitter account to a keybase account I own.

Right, but if your Twitter account links to your HN account then you've proven ownership both ways. If you don't want the n^2 problem then just have a list of all your accounts on one site and link there. Say, for example, your Mastadon account.

I solved that problem that way too: https://nadyanay.me/identities.html

It comes with some issues, namely that I suck at keeping it up to date and that not all identities I would like to list there have a way for me to provide proof beyond my word alone. For most use cases and attack vectors I consider this sufficient enough. Now this is outside most peoples' threat models, but Keybase also provides some mitigation against some other scenarios.

1) If nadyanay.me becomes compromised the imposter could update /identities.html with a new and fake list and I would need to update my link everywhere it is used or I would be pointing people to the imposter list. I have more faith in both (a) Keybase is less likely to be compromised and (b) in the event Keybase has become compromised someone will notice. Nobody would notice if my personal site was compromised, as even my closest friends don't regularly browse my website. It could honestly take weeks or even months to discover the file had been changed.

2) A person who compromises my account(s) must also have access to my private key in order to sign messages in my name. This is important because even if any of my accounts is compromised they're still unable to prove they are me if asked. This is something I actively practice with a few online friends of mine. We pretty regularly lend large sums of (virtual) game cash to one another worth in the range of $10,000-$15,000 USD if RWT'd. The last thing either of us would want is an imposter asking to borrow some money in-game from them and selling it off and so anytime we ask to borrow some in-game cash we ask to see a signed message. I admit that's the primary reason behind most of my signed messages...

3) Any attempts at creating a new key will allow users to see that my key has been revoked and replaced. Users who had signed my old key would need to re-verify with me that my new key is valid. Social engineering and people's casual use cases means the imposter would just claim to be me and most people would believe them. Few would bother verifying but it at least provides an additional opportunity for the imposter to be outed.

Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#88

Post by dwighttk »

zach43 wrote: post #15

Just wanted to say that i moved from twitter to mastodon sometime late last year amd couldn't be happier with it. Keybase integration is interesting to me, but not realky useful since i don't want to tie mastodon with my real life identity. the Fediverse as a whole has a very different 'feel' to it compared to Twitter. Twitter feels significantly more commercialized amd stressful...mastodon / pleroma feel a lot more…

I opened a Mastodon account and me and one other person I know who opened an account toot at each other every 6 months or so... I guess there is another person I know who opened one but never toots...

I try to pretend it doesn't matter to me, but calling individual posts "toots" really does keep me from talking about the service with other people.

Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#89

Post by [deleted] »

mgoia wrote: post #85
Spivak wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well yeah, what's the point of having rules on an instance if you can just break them by moving to another but still participate?

Then the comment I replied to was wrong. There is no interconnected network of servers with different rules.

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Re: Mastodon and Keybase

#90

Post by crunchiebones »

zach43 wrote: post #15

Just wanted to say that i moved from twitter to mastodon sometime late last year amd couldn't be happier with it. Keybase integration is interesting to me, but not realky useful since i don't want to tie mastodon with my real life identity. the Fediverse as a whole has a very different 'feel' to it compared to Twitter. Twitter feels significantly more commercialized amd stressful...mastodon / pleroma feel a lot more…

it's basically twitter when you're not following very many people and all the people you are following share your political views.
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