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Re: Darpa wants to make a better, more secure, version of WhatsApp

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Do we really need yet another chat app? I think there are far too many of them. Can't we go back to XMPP again and make everything compatible like it was ten years ago?

From the description, it seems like it's less about the chat app itself and more about developing and designing a new secure protocol and infrastructure that will influence future products by commercial or other entities. They want people to take the tech they develop and make their own stuff more secure, which sounds awesome.

Re: Darpa wants to make a better, more secure, version of WhatsApp

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post #28

Do we really need yet another chat app? I think there are far too many of them. Can't we go back to XMPP again and make everything compatible like it was ten years ago?

Amen.

If anyone wants to be on XMPP with minimal fuss, try https://quicksy.im/ . This is an XMPP client, with registration based on your phone number.

Re: Darpa wants to make a better, more secure, version of WhatsApp

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post #48

Aside from the typical encryption worries here are some features I would love to see being offered on a alternative messenger app -ability to give out your alias or username to people to reach you on whatsapp instead of a phone number, something you can change later after banning the contact. -transcribe voice messages to enable search among them. -ability to hide the fact that i have listened to their voice message.…

I think most if not all of that is possible with matrix.org.

Matrix should have improved XMPP rather than added yet more fragmentation.

Re: Darpa wants to make a better, more secure, version of WhatsApp

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post #57

This makes it sound like DARPA wants to take some commercially developed tech and adapt it to the military, but just for the record that grossly misstates the relationship and the general history of Silicon Valley. Ever wonder how Siri got her name? From SRI International, a research org largely funded by the DoD.[1] DARPA is the origin of much of the tech, including secure Internet tech. Just one recent example: Tor…

I don't think there's an official origin for Siri's name. Someone said it was named after a child. I suspect (without evidence) it was named after the female robot in the pilot episode of the Logan's Run who ran Mountain City, a paradise city.

Re: Darpa wants to make a better, more secure, version of WhatsApp

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Aside from the typical encryption worries here are some features I would love to see being offered on a alternative messenger app -ability to give out your alias or username to people to reach you on whatsapp instead of a phone number, something you can change later after banning the contact. -transcribe voice messages to enable search among them. -ability to hide the fact that i have listened to their voice message.…

> -full desktop support for video and voice calls

Any desktop support would be nice. WhatsApp web is not a real solution.

Re: Darpa wants to make a better, more secure, version of WhatsApp

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried signal, much more inferior to WhatsApp in terms of functionality and usability

I use signal on the reg, and the short comings are both superficial and unrelated to the security. In my opinion. What are your specific concerns? I could list things like: lack of bold and italic , poor voice message UI, lack of video conferencing , lack of group names, ... Note that WhatsApp was wildly popular for over half a decade before it got most of those features. In other words: I don’t get the point of talk…

they are not just cosmetic..

* no search (big one for me)

* no web client ( another big one)

* app gets stuck in "retrieving message..." if there is a poor signal like travelling under a tunnel

and there are many cosmetic ones like the ones you pointed out.

Re: Darpa wants to make a better, more secure, version of WhatsApp

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post #22
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few points that I hope dont come off snarky 1) It's open source, so if you can code and have time, you can help. 2) Some small friction adders seem like a small price to pay to not have a facebook product installed on my phone and suck all my metadata down.

You’re right and I agree with you, but as to point 1, they don’t really act like a proper open source project and it seems more like a “source dump” than anything. It’s hard to compile on your own and they don’t like forks connecting to official servers either.

> It’s hard to compile on your own

It was pretty easy to compile your own desktop version. I had to change some colors because white was hurting my eyes and i was able to do it easily.

Re: Darpa wants to make a better, more secure, version of WhatsApp

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post #65

Aside from the typical encryption worries here are some features I would love to see being offered on a alternative messenger app -ability to give out your alias or username to people to reach you on whatsapp instead of a phone number, something you can change later after banning the contact. -transcribe voice messages to enable search among them. -ability to hide the fact that i have listened to their voice message.…

> -full desktop support for video and voice calls Any desktop support would be nice. WhatsApp web is not a real solution.

It kind of is, at least it is 80% there. What is your problem eith it? Having to handshake almost everytime?

Re: Darpa wants to make a better, more secure, version of WhatsApp

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post #65

Aside from the typical encryption worries here are some features I would love to see being offered on a alternative messenger app -ability to give out your alias or username to people to reach you on whatsapp instead of a phone number, something you can change later after banning the contact. -transcribe voice messages to enable search among them. -ability to hide the fact that i have listened to their voice message.…

> -full desktop support for video and voice calls Any desktop support would be nice. WhatsApp web is not a real solution.

https://web.whatsapp.com/ almost there.
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