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Darpa wants to make a better, more secure, version of WhatsApp

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Re: Darpa wants to make a better, more secure, version of WhatsApp

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I tried signal, much more inferior to WhatsApp in terms of functionality and usability

Put effort into improving usability of Signal then? I don't understand.

A lot of the issues can't be solved without relying on an authoritative 3rd party (which is what facebook, whatsapp, skype, etc do). For example, because all messages are p2p, you can't view conversation history that isn't stored locally or sent by the other party upon request (which may not include deleted messages, etc).

Re: Darpa wants to make a better, more secure, version of WhatsApp

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Isn't that called Signal? Maybe just put the funding into extending that?

I tried signal, much more inferior to WhatsApp in terms of functionality and usability

How is Signal inferior to WhatsApp "in terms of functionality and usability"?

Re: Darpa wants to make a better, more secure, version of WhatsApp

#13
Original solicitation is from June 2018, not clear that this story is anything but a reheating of that announcement, found here: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=c244cde...

(As an aside, it is always a bit unsettling when a federal function is represented by something that looks like a link farm. I mean, I know you elected Trump and all, but "FedBizOpps" probably predates him by a decade)

Re: Darpa wants to make a better, more secure, version of WhatsApp

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Aside from the typical encryption worries here are some features I would love to see being offered on a alternative messenger app

-ability to give out your alias or username to people to reach you on whatsapp instead of a phone number, something you can change later after banning the contact.

-transcribe voice messages to enable search among them.

-ability to hide the fact that i have listened to their voice message.

-ability to hide the fact that i am on whatsapp network and receive 'add to contact' requests from people where i can accept or reject without them knowing i actually rejected.

-hide the 'online' in conversation window when im reading the message.

-save my chat history in the cloud so that i dont lose everything when i move from iOS to Android or vise versa.

-ability to save incoming and outgoing media attachments to the cloud for access later

-full desktop support for video and voice calls

-ability to record the calls, and have their transcribed texts easily searchable.

-ability to ignore certain kind of messages from certain people such as 'allow text messages only, no calls, no pictures, no videos.' etc.

Re: Darpa wants to make a better, more secure, version of WhatsApp

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Isn't that called Signal? Maybe just put the funding into extending that?

I tried signal, much more inferior to WhatsApp in terms of functionality and usability

A 500 billion dollar corporation will always be able to beat nonprofits on usability. The question you should ask yourself is whether the marginal difference in usability makes up for all the negative consequences of being a Facebook user.

Re: Darpa wants to make a better, more secure, version of WhatsApp

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Isn't that called Signal? Maybe just put the funding into extending that?

That's exactly my thoughts.

Interestingly, WhatsApp uses the same e2e encryption protocol under the hood... or at least it used to I know Facebook is trying to merge it with messenger which certainly means removing the e2e encryption.

Good news is this means Signal could probably be on parity with WhatsApp with a little government grant money love.

Re: Darpa wants to make a better, more secure, version of WhatsApp

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Isn't that called Signal? Maybe just put the funding into extending that?

I tried signal, much more inferior to WhatsApp in terms of functionality and usability

it's literally not possible to be worse that whatsapp, though.

Re: Darpa wants to make a better, more secure, version of WhatsApp

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Put effort into improving usability of Signal then? I don't understand.

A lot of the issues can't be solved without relying on an authoritative 3rd party (which is what facebook, whatsapp, skype, etc do). For example, because all messages are p2p, you can't view conversation history that isn't stored locally or sent by the other party upon request (which may not include deleted messages, etc).

Well, on that regard, neither can you on Whatsapp itself.

Re: Darpa wants to make a better, more secure, version of WhatsApp

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Isn't that called Signal? Maybe just put the funding into extending that?

I tried signal, much more inferior to WhatsApp in terms of functionality and usability

A few points that I hope dont come off snarky

1) It's open source, so if you can code and have time, you can help.

2) Some small friction adders seem like a small price to pay to not have a facebook product installed on my phone and suck all my metadata down.

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