Canada’s legal pot is going well • Hacker News Board

Re: Canada’s legal pot is going well

#71

Post by ackfoo » Sat, Apr 13, 2019, 4:55 PM UTC

No, it's not, which is largely the fault of moron doctors and the government who are idiotically conducting a campaign against vaporization.

The primary health risk of cigarette smoking comes from the products of incomplete hydrocarbon combustion. These cause inflammation (leading to chronic lung disease) and many are carcinogenic.

An intelligent realist understands that most people are ignorant and prone to addictive behaviors, and will intervene where possible to substitute a lower-risk behaviour for a higher-risk one.

Instead, stupid doctors have refocussed their (otherwise appropriate) campaign against smoking on vaporization, and the government has moronically banned it in all the same places as smoking.

This stupidity has spilled over into marijuana legalization, causing vaporization liquids to remain illegal and denying users access to a relatively safe, measured, convenient dosage format with a long shelf life.

Patients taking marijuana for medical reasons are thereby screwed.

I despise stupid people making decisions in large groups. What a clusterfuck.

Re: Canada’s legal pot is going well

#72

Post by jerrysievert » Sat, Apr 13, 2019, 4:59 PM UTC

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #70

jerrysievert wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

oregon as well - it seemed to burgeon after the legislature stepped in.

Yes. My experience in the west side of Oregon is that there are stores everywhere, though I know that isn't true in smaller rural communities. Prices have come down considerably since the stores first opened. I've watched the sign out front of one store I drive past frequently go from $7 per gram, to $5 per gram, now at $3 per gram, and I expect it to continue downward.

there are portions of rural oregon that have been continually sued to reverse the laws, and there is a list of parts of oregon that have disallowed sale: https://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana/documents/cities_count...

for the most part, those are rural communities - i suspect there would be shops there if they were allowed.

Re: Canada’s legal pot is going well

#73

Post by andai » Sat, Apr 13, 2019, 5:07 PM UTC

quickthrower2 wrote: post #43

andai wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Long time coffee and cannabis user here, I'm curious in what ways you'd say cannabis is safer than coffee?

Well, if you spill hot coffee on you it can hurt a bit.

I once put a lit joint in my pocket for safekeeping, and burned a hole in my wallet.

Re: Canada’s legal pot is going well

#74

Post by gnulinux » Sat, Apr 13, 2019, 5:07 PM UTC

andai wrote: post #24

gnulinux wrote: post #9

Legal pot is not going good anywhere around the world except very few places like Colorado. This is because politicians insist on not paying attention to scientific studies and keep doing irrational things. Look at Massachusetts, one of the first states to legalize cannabis, still handful of legal shops, only 1 in Boston area. What changed is now a few mega corps (US) or the government (Canada) are your drug dealers,…

Long time coffee and cannabis user here, I'm curious in what ways you'd say cannabis is safer than coffee?

They're both very safe but we have a lot evidence suggesting THC and CBD have tons of medical benefits. I'm not aware of any medical benefits of caffeine. I do know that some NSAIDs include caffeine to combat fatigue, but that's about it. Also have you ever got addicted to caffeine? It's a bitch to stop drinking, you get headaches like someone's hammering your skull. While it's possible to get physically addicted to THC, it's much harder than getting addicted to caffeine.

One should also mention that weed is by no means 100% safe. I myself was once hospitalized due to a panic attack caused by too much weed. But compared to other "normal" drugs like nicotine, alcohol, caffeine etc weed is among safest.

Re: Canada’s legal pot is going well

#75

Post by GordonS » Sun, Apr 14, 2019, 3:06 PM UTC

kryptk wrote: post #68

As a consumer of cannabis for several decades prior to legalization, it has indeed gone very well. I am in Ontario and my first legal online order took 3 weeks, but delivery is now typically 2-3 days. Brick and mortar just recently launched in this province, it was rushed and isnt in good shape. Other provinces are faring better in this regard. The product selection is large, but in stock inventory of lower-priced pr…

> delivery is now typically 2-3 days

I hear you can often get next day delivery when ordering from the darknet, and it's been that way for years.

Re: Canada’s legal pot is going well

#76

Post by kryptk » Sun, Apr 14, 2019, 4:51 PM UTC

GordonS wrote: post #75

kryptk wrote: post #68

As a consumer of cannabis for several decades prior to legalization, it has indeed gone very well. I am in Ontario and my first legal online order took 3 weeks, but delivery is now typically 2-3 days. Brick and mortar just recently launched in this province, it was rushed and isnt in good shape. Other provinces are faring better in this regard. The product selection is large, but in stock inventory of lower-priced pr…

> delivery is now typically 2-3 days I hear you can often get next day delivery when ordering from the darknet, and it's been that way for years.

Yes absolutely, the launch of brick and mortar was supposed to satisfy the "want some right now" crowd but high prices have turned a lot of folks off.

Weedmaps is the defacto "local" black market source in my area, I can have product in hand within 2 hours from a selection of dealers.

Sellers post their "menus" on the app and leave a phone number or email. Responses are quick. Delivery is $10-15 usually.

Most will verify you are 19+ when they drop it off, as selling drugs to minors has historically had stiffer penalties then selling to adults. The laws have all changed now and the first person was just charged with possession under the new laws last week.

Re: Canada’s legal pot is going well

#77

Post by norswap » Sun, Apr 14, 2019, 9:46 PM UTC

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #66

norswap wrote: post #65

> Long lines formed on a sub-zero morning last week to buy marijuana over the counter from three different shops in Ottawa, the first capital in the industrialized world to open them. Ah yes, Netherlands: a land of barbarians, murder and rampant disentery. Not a single industry in sight.

In fairness, the Netherlands does not have legal cannabis. It just has deliberately lax enforcement.

"Illegal but regulated", "Illegal but tolerated". Really, when such things have been formalized, it's just really, legal — at a less symbolic level than a proper law maybe, and with limitations for sure, but arguing otherwise is nitpicking.

Re: Canada’s legal pot is going well

#78

Post by gnulinux » Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 2:04 PM UTC

danlugo92 wrote: post #69

DKnoll wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I would consider caffeine more impairing than nicotine but I don't think either are a big concern as far as impairment goes. Impairment on those substances is probably best handled in law with the same general, hand-wavey subsections as drinking too much water or eating too much Taco Bell.

Aren't stimulants the opposite of impairing? :shrugs:

Would you not consider someone high on meth intoxicated? I think stimulants are clearly intoxicating too. Culturally, we're comfortable people doing their jobs right high on caffeine but unless you make a scientific study you cannot know whether that's the case. It's possible caffeine slightly impairs your ability use a vehicle, or maybe enhances it, or maybe it has no effect.