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Americans Are Delaying Health Care Until Tax Refunds Arrive

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Re: Americans Are Delaying Health Care Until Tax Refunds Arrive

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> The solution to people’s inability to save is not for the government to hold their money hostage. Meanwhile, in the real world where the left-hand side of the Bell curve exists, and where many people have poor impulse control, that actually is the solution to some people's inability to save. Heck, as a student I worked in a union shop where this was actually baked into the collective agreement because of past exper…

But wouldn't we all be more free, really , if we just gave everyone enough rope to hang themselves & then locked up the left-hand side of the bell curve in debtor's prison?

Does the left hand side of the bell curve actually owe any federal income tax?

Re: Americans Are Delaying Health Care Until Tax Refunds Arrive

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Anyone living in a state with high income and/or property taxes will likely pay more this year given the $10k cap on deductions for state and local taxes which was previously unlimited before the 2018 tax year...

Anyone who pays 10k in state taxes is going to be well into the top 10% of incomes.

Top 10% nationwide or state wide? 10k in state tax in California should be hittable with an entry level software engineer job at Google in the Bay area.

Re: Americans Are Delaying Health Care Until Tax Refunds Arrive

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution to people’s inability to save is not for the government to hold their money hostage.

Except that is literally the solution, witness superannuation plans and social security systems around the world.

Also a problem.

Re: Americans Are Delaying Health Care Until Tax Refunds Arrive

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post #14

Withholding is an awful idea designed to favor the government over the taxpayer and to psychologically soften the blow of the ridiculous tax rates we pay. It's especially bad with mandatory withholding by the employer. It shouldn't happen. Taxpayers ought to figure out how much they owe and write the check for it at once. This is especially true since consumers can't invest that income or get interest on it: I could…

I would like that system, but unfortunately most of our fellow citizens would end up broke come tax time. Most people simply say "I can spend until my bank account is empty". That's why most people choose impound accounts when they get a mortgage. Because they literally can not budget money for the bi-annual property tax bill, so they have the bank take the money every month. It's also why teachers are offered a 10 c…

IRS actually has a documented policy on the "12-check plan":

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/409a_presentation.pdf

Wonder how many teachers understand that the net financial effect amounts to a zero-interest loan from themselves back to the school district?

Re: Americans Are Delaying Health Care Until Tax Refunds Arrive

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post #27
post #14

Withholding is an awful idea designed to favor the government over the taxpayer and to psychologically soften the blow of the ridiculous tax rates we pay. It's especially bad with mandatory withholding by the employer. It shouldn't happen. Taxpayers ought to figure out how much they owe and write the check for it at once. This is especially true since consumers can't invest that income or get interest on it: I could…

I feel similarly about incomes; employers ought to write a single check all at once. You get paid on Jan 1st and that's it. Perhaps as a stretch goal we can aim for decennial paychecks. In seriousness, a steady flow instead of a lump sum has benefits for both sides of the transaction. For example, I shudder to imagine what shopping sprees politicians might engage in, were they bequeathed with the nation's entire year…

> For example, I shudder to imagine what shopping sprees politicians might engage in, were they bequeathed with the nation's entire yearly budget in one day!

The USG has more flexibility with spending relative to liquid resources than pretty much any entity in the world. I can assure that having tax receipts directly in the bank has nothing to do with the way we spend and would have even less to do with the psychology of our representatives

Re: Americans Are Delaying Health Care Until Tax Refunds Arrive

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone living in a state with high income and/or property taxes will likely pay more this year given the $10k cap on deductions for state and local taxes which was previously unlimited before the 2018 tax year...

And why not? I don't see any fundamental reason why your local taxes should be deductible for federal tax purposes.

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Re: Americans Are Delaying Health Care Until Tax Refunds Arrive

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel similarly about incomes; employers ought to write a single check all at once. You get paid on Jan 1st and that's it. Perhaps as a stretch goal we can aim for decennial paychecks. In seriousness, a steady flow instead of a lump sum has benefits for both sides of the transaction. For example, I shudder to imagine what shopping sprees politicians might engage in, were they bequeathed with the nation's entire year…

> For example, I shudder to imagine what shopping sprees politicians might engage in, were they bequeathed with the nation's entire yearly budget in one day! The USG has more flexibility with spending relative to liquid resources than pretty much any entity in the world. I can assure that having tax receipts directly in the bank has nothing to do with the way we spend and would have even less to do with the psycholog…

No offense but I'm not prepared to inform my policy opinions on the basis of your assurance.

Re: Americans Are Delaying Health Care Until Tax Refunds Arrive

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post #14

Withholding is an awful idea designed to favor the government over the taxpayer and to psychologically soften the blow of the ridiculous tax rates we pay. It's especially bad with mandatory withholding by the employer. It shouldn't happen. Taxpayers ought to figure out how much they owe and write the check for it at once. This is especially true since consumers can't invest that income or get interest on it: I could…

> Withholding is an awful idea designed to favor the government over the taxpayer

I don't understand this claim. Why wouldn't be the baseline be to pay tax on taxable events as they happen (ie per paycheck)? This seems completely reasonable to me.

I don't even see how it softens the psychological blow: again, the baseline of "every time I get paid, I lose X amount of taxes" seems like a pretty reasonable visceral signal of how much you're paying.

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