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Alibaba founder defends overtime work culture as 'huge blessing'

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I don't see the Chinese having vacations, great houses, breathing good air and eating quality food. Woe unto them.

Then you are blind or ignorant. Visit any European capital these days to find large flocks of Chinese tourists enjoying their expensive vacations, shopping tours and gadgets.

In the US, I have seen large flocks of tourists from Europe enjoying their expensive vacations, shopping tours, and gadgets as well.

Re: Alibaba founder defends overtime work culture as 'huge blessing'

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I don't see the Chinese having vacations, great houses, breathing good air and eating quality food. Woe unto them.

Then you are blind or ignorant. Visit any European capital these days to find large flocks of Chinese tourists enjoying their expensive vacations, shopping tours and gadgets.

I make more than enough money from a regular 9-5 job to enjoy all of those things. I really don't see any way to justify working 996 without some sort of absurdly high pay, which I doubt those workers are getting. That sounds more like modern slavery.

Re: Alibaba founder defends overtime work culture as 'huge blessing'

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> The more I learn about the world, the more I'm convinced I'm living in paradise (Europe). Paradise for the unproductive and unambitious, yes. That's why Europe is no longer innovative and competitive and China is doing much better.

"doing much better" in what sense? Who wants to live as a slave? Shouldn't the goal a country be maximal quality of life?

The progression of quality of life in China is such that it's on the way of surpassing Europe's very soon (if not already done)

Re: Alibaba founder defends overtime work culture as 'huge blessing'

#35

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Then you are blind or ignorant. Visit any European capital these days to find large flocks of Chinese tourists enjoying their expensive vacations, shopping tours and gadgets.

I make more than enough money from a regular 9-5 job to enjoy all of those things. I really don't see any way to justify working 996 without some sort of absurdly high pay, which I doubt those workers are getting. That sounds more like modern slavery.

> I really don't see any way to justify working 996 without some sort of absurdly high pay,

Many people don't just work for the immediate monetary benefit. Some like the company or see some value in working there or in that industry specifically, some want to prove themselves in a competitive environment to raise in ranks and see better chances even if the starting position is bad etc. ... Some might even like the rough working conditions because they appeal to their work ethic. Slavery would mean they have no choice but they do and they choose 996.

Re: Alibaba founder defends overtime work culture as 'huge blessing'

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> The more I learn about the world, the more I'm convinced I'm living in paradise (Europe). Paradise for the unproductive and unambitious, yes. That's why Europe is no longer innovative and competitive and China is doing much better.

I don't see the Chinese having vacations, great houses, breathing good air and eating quality food. Woe unto them.

The Chinese are the americans of the american continent, or the dutch of europe: they're everywhere and they have the money.

For instance, they amount for 1/3 of all of Thailand's tourism, the most touristic country in the world.

They do build amazing futuristic condos. Google "shanghai skyline". It takes time though...

And Western food is not always known for its quality: the west gave the world burgers, fries or pizzas.

In the end, I'm sure Asia is doing so well because the West thinks poorly of them and leaves them alone.

Hint: I live in Asia and I'm amazed at how so many westerners don't get Asia.

Re: Alibaba founder defends overtime work culture as 'huge blessing'

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Can someone explain to me how it is a blessing to work 996. He literally says "If you don't work 996 when you are young, when can you ever work 996". This makes no sense at all. Why would anyone ever want to work 996. Lets burn our youth on this BS for what future promise Mr.Ma.

Its because Jack Ma still sees his company as it was in the startup days where the objective was out-competing anybody (even Western tech companies) through creativity, brutal price-cutting and sheer mental and time overload. These are qualities he attributes to people in their youth who can burn the midnight oil for their dream. It is also built on top of East Asian exploitative/"hard-work brings success" work cultu…

In China, some employers (who probably still living in 17 century) sees giving out offer and salary is some kind of blessing.

So apparently Jack Ma sees his company as some holy saint who give those poor farmland programmers food, water and life.

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I don't see the Chinese having vacations, great houses, breathing good air and eating quality food. Woe unto them.

The Chinese are the americans of the american continent, or the dutch of europe: they're everywhere and they have the money. For instance, they amount for 1/3 of all of Thailand's tourism, the most touristic country in the world. They do build amazing futuristic condos. Google "shanghai skyline". It takes time though... And Western food is not always known for its quality: the west gave the world burgers, fries or pi…

> The Chinese are the americans of the american continent

They are now also the Russians of the international luxury real estate market together with the Saudis. I really wonder why some people are so much in denial of these changes.

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