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Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by mikeq101101 »

anthonybsd wrote: post #944
mikeq101101 wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assange is what actual journalist looks like. Mass media are there just to repeat the "intelligence community consensus", not to tell people the truth. After Lusitania, Gulf of Tonkin, babies out of incubators, WMDs, Russiagate, they still wonder why no one takes them seriously, and why are people looking for alternatives.

Assange is a corrupt paid agent of Russian propaganda network. The fact that you are a fan casts more shadow over your own character than anything else.

Yeah, keep repeating those neocon talking points. The war machine is proud of you.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by jonathanstrange »

ben_w wrote: post #529
belorn wrote: post #487

I would like to locate all HN comments which said he never would get arrested on behalf of the US, and that Assange objections was all just pretense for trying to escape justice from the UK/Swedish legal system.

The ease by which the US can extradite him from the UK is precisely why I thought poorly of the claim that he felt his life was endangered by going to Sweden .

You're missing the point. Sweden would have been unable to protect him. Intelligence agencies do not just follow one plan, they have a whole bundle of contingencies ready for execution in case a politician wants to hear some options.

Of course, his life would have been endangered if he had been extradited to Sweden. People in the US administration were openly calling for his assassination in public TV interviews.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by ionised »

qnsi wrote: post #724
ionised wrote: post #566

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Stop spreading lies. Wikileaks has leaked plenty of shit on Russia too.

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/1/6/14179240/wikileaks-russia... What would you say about this article? I have Little knowledge about Assange

I was actually intending to reply to somebody else (or the parent post has been edited since I posted my reply) that stated Assange and Wikileaks only ever released stuff about the west and its allies.

My accusation of lies was about that, because there have been leaks of all manner of countries (Russia included) through Wikileaks.

As for that article, I have no idea whether Assange is a Russian operative now, or has been in the past. There are interesting links, for sure, and after the threats of drone strike and execution from various US government officials I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to hurt the US.

So I don't know if he is or isn't. He may very well be.

As I said above though, my initial accusation was intended for another poster that (falsely) claimed Wikileaks never leaked anything about Russia.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by foldr »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #934
foldr wrote: post #527

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Hmm? This just goes to show that the USA didn't need to manufacture rape allegations in Sweden just in order to get Assange extradited, since their best chance of doing so was to extradite him from the UK.

Without the rape allegations, what crime would have led to the UK arresting Assange, enabling him to be extradited? Even with the allegations, the process of extraditing him to Sweden took ages.

He can be arrested directly as a result of an extradition request. (If this weren't possible, it would rarely be possible to extradite anyone.) I think you're perhaps unaware that an extradition request is required to present evidence that the person in question has done something that is a crime under both US and UK law. It is not merely a request to move someone from one country to another.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by dandare »

_iyig wrote: post #172

In the Afghan War Documents leak, Julian Assange refused to redact the names of Afghans who informed on the Taliban. He referred to them as “spies and traitors” in comments to the media. A reporter for the Guardian claims he said, “Well, they're informants. So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it.” Nasty way to diss on fellow leakers, in my opinion. I wonder if Mr. Assange feels he hims…

Except he denies it and it may not be a truth. Have you even considered the among his enemies are the most powerful governments in the world, with a track record of not only corruption and lying but also collateral murder and enabling torture of women and children?

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

philwelch wrote: post #411
ptero wrote: post #400

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> From my reading anyway, Assange crossed a line, perhaps not realising that what he was doing To me, this points to the fact that there are likely many transgressions of all kinds that each person in the civilized world commits. Those are unlikely to lead to anything beyond an occasional minor fine, but the government prosecutors can use those as ammunition for future cases totally unrelated to original offense. Thi…

Promising to use a condom and then not using a condom is not a "minor transgression"; it's a form of sexual assault.

It is and I find it very concerning that you are being downvoted.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by anthonybsd »

mikeq101101 wrote: post #981
anthonybsd wrote: post #944

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assange is a corrupt paid agent of Russian propaganda network. The fact that you are a fan casts more shadow over your own character than anything else.

Yeah, keep repeating those neocon talking points. The war machine is proud of you.

Yeah, war machine like this one: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/08/world/middleeast/syria-ch...

Pieces of shit like you responsible for this.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by rurban »

rurban wrote: post #722
techntoke wrote: post #453

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This is ridiculous. No one is talking about death penalty except people trying to inflame the situation.

There are many well known US members of congress and senate who promised to bring him to death. That was one of Assange lawyers arguments, until they all started dying suddenly.

The relevant US law with the death penalty is the Espionage Act from 1917, Section 704. It prohibits anyone from obtaining national defense–related information and making national defense–related information available to a foreign government.

Due to this the UK is disallow to extradite him, because that are the exact allegations prominent US politicians and lawmakers accuse him of.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by dontbenebby »

chx wrote: post #873
dontbenebby wrote: post #855

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> There are a number of things connecting Assange to Russia. His own OkCupid listed that he loved everything Russian (except the food) long before the 2016 election: https://mashable.com/2010/12/13/julian-assange-okcupid/ That being said, while he's a piece of shit we need to be careful we don't erode press freedoms we've had for a very long time just because we really don't like one jerk.

And what if a Russian agent disrupting USA elections masquerades as a journalist?

And what if a journalist who uncovers malfeasance by a candidate is maligned as an agent of a foreign power?

Part of living in a democracy is dealing with the consequences of free speech as an accepted cost of living in a free society.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by philwelch »

ptero wrote: post #444
philwelch wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Promising to use a condom and then not using a condom is not a "minor transgression"; it's a form of sexual assault.

Minor vs major is not my point. The problem is that prosecutors did not care about this for a LONG time but suddenly went into overdrive when someone could not convict a person of interest for an unrelated offense.

Sexually assaulting people is not typically one of the “transgressions of all kinds that each person in the civilized world commits”. Sexually violating a human being is not the equivalent of a fucking speeding ticket.
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